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Fails GNG and WP:PERP. Ignoring the usual online influencer unreliable sources like WP:DEXERTO and WP:SPORTSKEEDA, this guy is only notable for having been sued for a few minor charges and serving two months in prison [1]. The other sources that are not about this lawsuit are mostly routine announcements and do not talk about him in any significant depth. This page was previously created by blocked sock User:IMDB12, deleted per WP:A7 on January 1, and was now recreated by a different new COI account. Badbluebus (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Video games, Internet, and Morocco. Badbluebus (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The subject meets WP:GNG with multiple independent sources covering his career beyond any legal issues. The article cites Hespress, Yabiladi, Morocco World News, and Kings League, which are all independent, reliable sources discussing his achievements in streaming, sports, and digital media. Dismissing Dexerto does not negate the fact that there is substantial non-routine coverage of his career.

The claim that this is a WP:PERP case is misleading. WP:PERP applies when a person is only known for a legal issue, which is not the case here. His coverage in independent media predates and goes beyond any legal matter. The sources clearly establish his streaming success, leadership in the Kings World Cup, and industry recognition, including being named Moroccan Influencer of the Year.

As for the claim that this article was recreated by the same blocked user, there is no actual evidence to support this—no IP check, no behavioral analysis, nothing. An accusation without proof should not be a basis for deletion. If there are concerns about sockpuppetry, they should be handled separately through proper channels, not used as an argument in AfD.

This is a well-sourced article about a notable subject, and per WP:GNG, it should be kept. Datamanager3000 (talk) 03:51, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I meant to add this at the start of my previous comment but forgot. Just clarifying my stance. Datamanager3000 (talk) 05:34, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per the nominator. I checked all of the sources in the article and it is extremely weak. There is no indication that most of these are even reliable sources, and in my opinion, using unvetted sources for a WP:BLP (unless the source is obviously reliable) is a very, very bad idea and should not be able to help notability at all. λ NegativeMP1 04:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I dont know where you're from but in Morocco these are all very reliable sources apart from LGAMINGMA. Datamanager3000 (talk) 04:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  But do they meet our criteria for a reliable source? No, I don't think they do, since sites like LGaming.ma don't have any editorial policy or about us page, and therefore no proper credentials. Furthermore, are those sites listed on WP:RSP or WP:VG/S? No, they aren't. λ NegativeMP1 04:34, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I am defending the retention of the article about Ilyas El Maliki because of the independent sources cited, such as Hespress, Yabiladi, and Morocco World News, which highlight his success in streaming, sports, and digital media. This success is not only tied to legal issues but is supported by significant media coverage of his career and achievements, including his participation in the Kings World Cup. Additionally, he was named Moroccan Influencer of the Year, which underscores his prominence. Furthermore, the claim that the article was recreated by the same blocked user is unfounded and lacks evidence. Based on these facts, I believe the article should be kept according to the guidelines of the encyclopedia. Hkatib (talk) 04:45, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I'd like to see what guidelines you're talking about because notability can only be demonstrated by reliable, secondary sources. None of the sources in the article can contribute to notability. See WP:GNG. λ NegativeMP1 05:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The argument that “none of the sources in the article contribute to notability” is not accurate. Hespress, Yabiladi, and Morocco World News are among the most widely recognized and referenced media outlets in Morocco. These are established, independent news sources that cover a range of topics, including politics, sports, and entertainment. Just because they are not listed on WP:RSP does not mean they are unreliable—WP:RSP is not an exhaustive list of every reliable source.

  The subject's notability is clearly demonstrated by substantial independent coverage in multiple sources, including his rise in streaming, his role in the Kings World Cup, and his recognition as Moroccan Influencer of the Year. These are not routine announcements but sustained coverage across different aspects of his career.

  Additionally, dismissing a source simply because it is not listed on WP:RSP is not how Wikipedia determines reliability. If there is a specific policy-based reason why Hespress or Morocco World News should be considered unreliable, that should be demonstrated with evidence. Otherwise, they should be evaluated on their actual editorial practices and reputation within their region, rather than being judged against a list that is primarily Western-focused. Datamanager3000 (talk) 05:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  "Hespress, Yabiladi, and Morocco World News are among the most widely recognized and referenced media outlets in Morocco." And Fox News is among the most widely recognized and referenced news outlets in the United States. Low and behold, we consider it mostly unreliable per WP:RSP. And I never said that a source HAS to be on RSP or VG/S, but it is a good idea. Especially for BLPs, where it is recommended to only use the strongest sourcing available and sources that are low-quality in any fashion should be disregarded. Either way though, you haven't proven how any of the sources are reliable or useful at all. I gave my evidence and Grayfell provided his input as well. Please prove in your own words how they are reliable sources by our standards. λ NegativeMP1 06:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - The Morocco World News source uses very strange and simple English. I cannot find anything on that page about its editing standards or fact-checking/corrections or similar. How does this outlet meet WP:RS? Same question about LGAMING.MA.

Hespress is slightly better, but again, who are its editors? Le Matin (Morocco) seems to be a legit newspaper, but it's a passing mention, at best.

The Yabiladi source doesn't appear to mention Ilyas El Maliki, making it useless for notability even if it were reliable. Grayfell (talk) 06:16, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like Yabiladi.com uses machine translation to plagiarize articles from other outlets. For example this article Euractiv.com is beat-for-beat copied by Yabiladi.com's version, but significantly worse in just about every way. The site has no indication of editorial oversight or fact checking. It likely shouldn't be cited on Wikipedia at all. Grayfell (talk) 20:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

this source from a outlet called Le 360 is a single sentence and a photo followed by a bunch of social media posts. It's not useful for notability. Grayfell (talk) 00:51, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep

Ilyas El Maliki is a well-known and influential figure in the fields of streaming and digital media. His success goes beyond video games, extending into sports and even fashion. Being named "Moroccan Influencer of the Year" in 2025 is clear evidence of his significance in the media landscape. This achievement has been documented by reputable and independent sources such as Hespress, Yabiladi, and Morocco World News, which cover his success in detail, including his contract with the streaming platform Kick and his participation in the Kings World Cup.

On the other hand, the argument to remove the article due to legal issues or conflicts with other individuals lacks any solid foundation. Indeed, every individual faces challenges throughout their career, but Ilyas has proven through his achievements and his global recognition that he deserves his place in the encyclopedia. Many people follow and interact with him across social media platforms, and he is widely acknowledged as a public figure of prominence.

Keeping the article would be a reasonable step to maintain accurate and factual documentation about a prominent figure who has had a significant impact both locally and internationally. According to the guidelines of the encyclopedia, articles about public figures who have a broad influence and notable achievements should remain in the database. Hkatib (talk) 06:48, 19 February 2025 (UTC)— Hkatib (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Notice: The above user is currently a suspected sock-puppet and their argument is based on ideas proven false by both me and Grayfell. Also, there is no mention of sports and fashion in this article. This comment is quite literally just making stuff up. λ NegativeMP1 06:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I think the discussion was negatively impacted by the behavior of the creator of the article, but the topic is notable I believe, especially when searching in non-English sources (consider that English is neither a native language nor the primary foreign language in Morocco). I was in fact planning to write an article about him at some point, as he's undoubtedly hands down the most famous Moroccan streamer. None of the explicitly linked sources below mention him just in passing. Some of them are from websites of famous Moroccan newspapers (such as L'Opinion, Alalam and Al Ahdath Al Maghribia), in addition to known non-Moroccan source such Al-Arabiya and The New Arab. I also tried to avoid blog-like sites and purely tabloid news, and keep only international and national, rather than regional sources.

English sources: hespress.com 1, hespress.com 2 (more articles about him on hespress.com), walaw, MWN (more about him on MWN), Assahafa.com

French sources: L'Opinion 1, L'Opinion 2 (more about him on L'Opinion's website), Linformation.ma, le360.ma 1, le360.ma 2 (more on le360.ma), lesinfos.ma, médias24.com, lodj.ma 1, lodj.ma 2, h24info.ma 1, h24info.ma 2, h24info.ma 3 (more on h24info.ma), walaw, bladi.net, primesynergy.ma, lenew.ma, footdumaroc, fr.hespress.com

Arabic sources: alaraby.co.uk, almashhad.com, hibapress.com, goud.ma 1, goud.ma 2 (more about him on goud.ma), alkhaleej.ae, various Arabic articles about Ilyas El Malki on hespress.com, ar.le360.ma, alalam.ma, al3omk.com, lesiteinfo.com, ahdath.info, barlamane.com, aljarida24.com, alarabiya.net, rue20.com, febrayer.com, assabah.ma

Spanish source

Dutch source

--Ideophagous (talk) 18:16, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

additional links: araby.co.uk 2, araby.co.uk 3 --Ideophagous (talk) 09:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd welcome a source review of recently added sources to this AFD earlier today. We have diverging opinions here about these sources from Morocco but these new sources are coming from a variety of countries.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:44, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]