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Hello The Transhumanist, you are receiving this award for the creation and continued dedication to WikiProject Outlines. You deserve this barnstar more than anyone. Jerium (talk) 19:18, 12 November 2023 (UTC) |
@Jerium: Thank you. By the way, if you think of ways to improve outlines or the outline project, please let me know. Thanks again. Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 00:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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- I'm quite new to editing, but you should be able just to release this image (while still giving credit to the references) because you made it as seen with the blue barnstar you used as a source. Daryl76679 (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Done - Thank you for the heads up. — The Transhumanist 00:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Was this really necessary? Jerium (talk) 22:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Jerium: That's like asking, "Were the barnstars you've created necessary?" Which leads to "Is art necessary?" Yes. Very much so. And in art, details matter. It's your new design (adjusted slightly by color), and is symbolically much more representative of outlines, due to its tree structure icon. Well done. And you've anchored that symbol nicely to the WikiProject by displaying it prominently on its main page. That was brilliant. Now, by default, in a sense, all instances of its smaller version (in the awards) point back to it. Bravo! — The Transhumanist 23:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
- The Transhumanist Okay, when you removed the alt that I had made at your request, I was not upset. In fact, based on the discussion on my talk page, I was not surprised as you were clearly thrilled with a barnstar being introduced; But now that we've ended up to this point, your biggest mistake occurred, confusing my patients for kindness. I and members of WP:WPWPA do not oust pre-existing barnstars, we only remaster barnstars that do not use File:Original Barnstar Hires.png per WP:B2G and add them into the barnstar template as the secondary alternative option while the original still remains in the template as the primary option. That is a gesture of honorable-courtesy, to acknowledge their efforts, original makers, in creating the original barnstars. The thing that no one ever does though, even if you are not a member of WP:WPWPA, is replace the barnstar file-images in barnstar templates that were already-rewarded to editors for whatever reason. That is just a low-ball move, near equivalent to blanking a page. Everything you've done in the template, I am undoing, but I will fullfill your request; and as one who is as good as Antonu (Yes, I am making that comparison), you don't know what a high-quality barnstar is, and you especially don't know how to properly award other editors. Jerium (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Jerium: First, let me say thank you for updating the alt image on the barnstar page. That looks even better than the one I hobbled together from your previous design. Very nice.
As for the awarding process itself, my opinion is that it's between the giver and the recipient. It's not like it's a physical award sitting on their mantle. This, being a wiki, provides more options. If a rewarder sees a way to improve an award they've given, especially one they customized themselves, the edit button is just a click away. Likewise, if a recipient prefers the earlier version, they are welcome to revert. And if they don't, then perhaps that's an indication that they at least didn't mind the modification. Note, that I changed the look of the award, not the message content. Though, I wouldn't hesitate to fix a typo, or awkward wording, in the text of an award I've given.
Regarding the other barnstar, let me ask some philosophical questions: What do lightbulbs have to do with outlines? Are you saying that we're stuck with a lightbulb representing outlines as a main award on the barnstar page forever? How did that happen? What's the procedure for getting it changed to something more relevant? No hard feelings here. Just scratching my head, wondering what can be done about it. No lightbulbs are going off, though. Except, maybe this one: Could you be talked into changing it to something that captures the essence of outlines? That way, you would still be the credited artiste, and I know you could come up with something mind blowing. You remind me of Penubag in that regard. (He created the medal for the World Developer Award).
Last, but not least, is that we can always talk things over, and I'm glad you feel free to express your feelings. I look forward to our continued sharing of thoughts and ideas. — The Transhumanist 00:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)- The lightbulb stays as it was the original upload. The new version also stays, so no one is taking a loss. It would be very difficult to get consensus to remove the newly updated barnstar, with the amount of effort I put in on quality, but I don't want to continue this discussion any further. Also, you're rude and insulting. We're done. Jerium (talk) 01:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well, you are on my talk page, and you did add the "rude" comment after you wrote that you didn't want to continue, thus continuing. So, I'm going to take those as cues to respond...
Then the light bulb stays. You met me half-way, which is willingness to compromise, and for that, I am grateful. And so, I guess I can do the same.
It seems a bit quirky, but, we can adapt to the light bulb barnstar. I imagine the award's prose could go something like this:
"I hereby award you this light bulb of excellence for creating such a wonderful outline and illuminating the world with its knowledge." Or maybe "Here is a light bulb to brighten your day, for creating such an illuminating outline." And this one: "You have illuminated minds like Edison illuminated the world. For this, you are awarded the outline light bulb!"
Those work for me. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Thanks for the barnstar award designs.Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 07:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- Well, you are on my talk page, and you did add the "rude" comment after you wrote that you didn't want to continue, thus continuing. So, I'm going to take those as cues to respond...
- The lightbulb stays as it was the original upload. The new version also stays, so no one is taking a loss. It would be very difficult to get consensus to remove the newly updated barnstar, with the amount of effort I put in on quality, but I don't want to continue this discussion any further. Also, you're rude and insulting. We're done. Jerium (talk) 01:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
- @Jerium: First, let me say thank you for updating the alt image on the barnstar page. That looks even better than the one I hobbled together from your previous design. Very nice.
- The Transhumanist Okay, when you removed the alt that I had made at your request, I was not upset. In fact, based on the discussion on my talk page, I was not surprised as you were clearly thrilled with a barnstar being introduced; But now that we've ended up to this point, your biggest mistake occurred, confusing my patients for kindness. I and members of WP:WPWPA do not oust pre-existing barnstars, we only remaster barnstars that do not use File:Original Barnstar Hires.png per WP:B2G and add them into the barnstar template as the secondary alternative option while the original still remains in the template as the primary option. That is a gesture of honorable-courtesy, to acknowledge their efforts, original makers, in creating the original barnstars. The thing that no one ever does though, even if you are not a member of WP:WPWPA, is replace the barnstar file-images in barnstar templates that were already-rewarded to editors for whatever reason. That is just a low-ball move, near equivalent to blanking a page. Everything you've done in the template, I am undoing, but I will fullfill your request; and as one who is as good as Antonu (Yes, I am making that comparison), you don't know what a high-quality barnstar is, and you especially don't know how to properly award other editors. Jerium (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Transhumanist, I would like to take you up on your offer and ask you if you could find a few independent reliable sources sufficient to establish notability of the organisation "Diving Equipment and Marketing Association", When I tried perplexity it threw back Wikipedia, even after I told it not to. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 09:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Pbsouthwood: I ran into the same problem awhile back. Since it is a chatbot, which you can ask to do just about anything literary (so far, they haven't incorporated a robotic training data set into it, so it can't comply with requests to do physical things, yet), I asked it how to get it to return results without Wikipedia in them, and it instructed me to use "-site:en.wikipedia.org" in my prompts. I tried that, and it worked. I don't know if that is an ability that it adopted, or something they programmed into it.
Keep in mind that the chatbot's data lake is the Web, and there is a growing body of know how on how to use ChatGPT (which is essentially what drives this thing). So, as time goes on, perplexity.ai becomes more and more of an expert on how to use itself. As users, we can ask it to tap into that. It's counterintuitive, but, sometimes it works wonders.
I looked around for sources to establish notability for DEMA, and neither I nor perplexity could turn up anything of note. There is mention of DEMA commissioning a research study in Introductory Guide to Scuba Diver Species from University of Massachusetts Amherst, but I doubt that's enough to establish notability. (There's another source in there on DEMA—Buttner, C. (2007). DEMA and the public shouldn't mix. Published in Open Water Articles— but there's no copy of it online that I could find. It appears that DEMA's online footprint is primarily its own website. — The Transhumanist 01:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)- Thanks TTH, I was aware of the Amherst paper, and agree – not enough. It is quite weird considering DEMA has had quite a large influence on recreational diving over several decades, and not always a good one. So it goes. The tip about "-site" is useful, and makes sense to a degree (that it works, not that it is explicitly needed), Anyway, thanks for trying, Wikipedia will just have to go without an article for now. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 04:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Pbsouthwood: It looks like they've combined an AI back end with a conventional search engine front end. You're welcome. — The Transhumanist 10:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks TTH, I was aware of the Amherst paper, and agree – not enough. It is quite weird considering DEMA has had quite a large influence on recreational diving over several decades, and not always a good one. So it goes. The tip about "-site" is useful, and makes sense to a degree (that it works, not that it is explicitly needed), Anyway, thanks for trying, Wikipedia will just have to go without an article for now. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 04:24, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 23
15 years later
Almost 15 years later, now looks like indeed there are :)
Thanks for all the work you do on outlines, I think they're an awesome resource!
Regards -- Gor1995 𝄞 11:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
New message to The Transhumanist
Hey, I've been trying to pare down unhelpful short descriptions onsite, and I've definitely unset a lot of outlines. Apologies for this, I will stop doing so, and start putting the ones back that I removed. Also, I really appreciate your work at the WikiProject, and I've actually started Draft:Outline of Chinese characters as a result. Cheers! Remsense诉 05:55, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Remsense: "Outline of" in the titles is just a format designation. It is not part of the subject of the article, which is what should be covered in the short description. The short description should briefly define the outline's topic. For example, describe "chess" rather than "Outline of chess". Therefore copying the short description of the corresponding root article works well. — The Transhumanist 06:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I simply wanted to revert all the articles to their previous state before, rather than put my overzealous WP:SDNONE on them!
Remsense诉 15:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. I simply wanted to revert all the articles to their previous state before, rather than put my overzealous WP:SDNONE on them!
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- @JayCubby: Thank you for the praise. By the way, the gray out bug is fixed. It was going to be a slide show. Thank you for the heads up. — The Transhumanist 06:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi TTH, If a content page is transcluded without any parameters, is the wikicode of the transcluded page parsed during the transclusion, or is the already generated cached html just copied over? I suspect the former, but don't really know why it should necessarily be that way. I have a vague feeling there would be things like the ToC that would not work properly and would require the parser to work through the transcuded page's code. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 13:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Pbsouthwood: As I understand it, Wikiedia's servers parse wiki text as follows: everything that needs to be expanded is done first, then lua modules are performed, then the resulting wiki text is translated into HTML. That's why the TOC works properly even when there are transcluded pages. There may be some HTML processing after that, but I'm not sure what (inserting files?). I don't know where this stuff is explained, but someone at WP:VPT surely does. MediaWiki's parser is explained at mw:Manual:Parser, and may provide some insight, but Wikipedia's configuration is much more complex, including hundreds of extensions. I hope this helps. Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 11:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Outline of dyslexia
Hi @The Transhumanist: How goes it? I came across your article Outline of dyslexia as part of the WP:NPP article review process. Is this an article? Its not references and seems to be arbitary list of information without reference present. You don't know if its valid or not. Are you planning to reference it. I see there is a whole other outline articles. Are they all in the same condition? Your not writing these for use off-wikipedia are you? scope_creepTalk 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I quite like the idea of them since all the portals were deleted, bringing all that domain-specific info together. scope_creepTalk 19:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm glad you like outlines. They comprise one of Wikipedia's content navigation systems. You can learn more about them at Wikipedia:Outlines and Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines. Most of the outlines are listed at Wikipedia:Contents/Outlines, for those who like to browse. BTW, to what information were you referring to as arbitrary above? And, what context of the word "arbitrary" were you using? — The Transhumanist 23:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- I quite like the idea of them since all the portals were deleted, bringing all that domain-specific info together. scope_creepTalk 19:09, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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A fine example
Hi TTH, Just found a fine example of why annotations should be cited unless they are by annotated links. Take a look at Index of branches of science, lots of annotated redlinks with no refs, blue links with claims that don't hold up when checked, and redirects, which I have not even looked at yet. No refs in the lead, poorly defined scope. Talk page full of messages indicating confusion and disagreement with the content, mostly unanswered. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hello there Transhumanist! Just want to notify you that Draft:Outline of George Washington has entered article space! Though I must credit you for starting the whole article in the first place. Here's to you! Atakes Ris (talk) 11:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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