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The boy addition

Not seeing why we're adding all this..... Already mentioned in the article and at Discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun. This seems like a mini bio or something with as many media sources as possible... That removes our academic sources at the same time.Moxy🍁 01:56, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hussein Abdel-Rasoul is a significant figure in the discovery of Tutankhamun’s tomb. This is not a biography but the second well-known account of the discovery. I don’t understand why you have an issue with the sources when I have used multiple reliable ones, as Wikipedia policies require. Can you clarify the specific problem instead of dismissing my contribution? Justegypt (talk) 02:10, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We already mentioned this in a condensed format with academic sources. Not sure why we're elaborating on this by removing the academic sources and adding media ones. Moxy🍁 02:13, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which academic sources have been removed? I haven't removed any academic sources. In fact, the sources I used are academic, not just media-based—there are multiple academic references. Including Hussein in the article is important; how was there not even a single image of him wearing Tutankhamun’s pendant? His story is well-known and significant, yet he was only mentioned in half a sentence. This neglects his role and shows bias toward Carter. This article is supposed to be neutral. Justegypt (talk) 02:18, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You keep removing "According to Carter's account the workmen discovered the step while digging beneath the remains of the huts; other accounts attribute the discovery to a boy digging outside the assigned work area.[1][a]"" and replacing it with websites. Let's get others involved here and you can talk more after your block. Moxy🍁 02:20, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I removed this text because it is not neutral, but rather focuses on Carter’s novel. It did not even mention Hussein’s name, but rather said (the boy). There is no information about Hussein. His story was not mentioned. There is no picture of him? Is this a neutral article for you? If your problem is with the sources, you can add more sources. Why do you delete my entire edit? Justegypt (talk) 02:25, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I take it you're not viewing the note.... That does mention the boy by name..... It mentions the story behind the story. Moxy🍁 02:30, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A footnote is not enough most people won’t even click on it! Failing to mention the name of the person who played a key role in discovering Tutankhamun’s tomb and not telling his story is a clear lack of neutrality and a bias toward Carter’s account, which has been widely questioned. We need to find a solution because I will not accept the removal of my edit unless Carter is also moved to a footnote like Hussein—that would be more neutral, If your problem is with the text, we can come up with a better text, but not deleting it completely Justegypt (talk) 02:36, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally believe the text that is there is far superior to your proposed change and with better sources. Let's see what others have to say. Moxy🍁 02:39, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hussein Abdel Rasoul wearing Tutankhamun's necklace (colored by ai)

Egyptologists have debated the account of Tutankhamun's tomb discovery, but one widely accepted version among many archaeologists, including the renowned Egyptologist Zahi Hawass[5], is the story of the "water boy", the discoverer of the tomb was the water boy, Hussein Abdel-Rassoul[6][7]. He was a 12-year-old boy. The story goes that he was assigned to carry water jugs to the local workers who were part of the excavation team. After completing his trip to the work site, he used a stick to dig holes in the sand to balance the water jugs and keep them upright. While digging one of these holes, the boy struck a stone and began to uncover it, revealing the top step of the staircase that led down to King Tut’s tomb.[8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23] In his memoirs, Carter wrote that the boy was chosen as a model for the photograph in recognition of his important role in the tomb’s discovery[24]. In later life, Hussein confirmed that his contribution was in uncovering the first step leading to the tomb, and although Carter’s records do not confirm this as a fact, it has been widely accepted as most likely true. but according to Carter’s account, the workers discovered the step while digging beneath the remains of the huts.

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  1. ^ Karl Kitchen, a reporter for the Boston Globe, wrote in 1924 that a boy named Mohamed Gorgar had found the step; he interviewed Gorgar, who did not say whether the story was true.[2] Lee Keedick, the organiser of Carter's American lecture tour, said Carter attributed the discovery to an unnamed boy carrying water for the workmen.[3] Many recent accounts, such as the 2018 book Tutankhamun: Treasures of the Golden Pharaoh by the Egyptologist Zahi Hawass, identify the water-boy as Hussein Abd el-Rassul, a member of a prominent local family. Hawass says he heard this story from el-Rassul in person. Another Egyptologist, Christina Riggs, suggests the story may instead be a conflation of Keedick's account, which was widely publicised by the 1978 book Tutankhamun: The Untold Story by Thomas Hoving, with el-Rassul's long-standing claim to have been the boy who was photographed wearing one of Tutankhamun's pectorals in 1926.[4]