Talk:NATO
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Re. the map
The map of NATO at the head of the article has some... curious inconsistencies, including but not limited to:
- The inclusion of the neutral zone between Iraq and Saudi Arabia (abolished 1991)
- The incorporation of Palestine into Jordan
- The nonexistence of Eritrea???
Is there any map that can be used that represents extra-NATO borders correctly? Stars-on-grey (talk) 18:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hi there, you might raise these issues on the files' own talk page. I'll say that this is not a very accurate map when you zoom in (see Ireland and the UK and the lack of the Isle of Man or that there's no Malta, for example). As a locator map for the infobox, I'm not sure it needs to be, but Eritrea's border is something that could definitely be added. Before they were banned, the file was maintained by Ssolbergj, and the same base map is used on two other Europe/US locator maps too: NATO/EU and EU/US. So any fixes to one might be worth making to the others. But to that last question, yes, there is alternative, it looks like this, you'd just need to turn Russia gray.-- Patrick Neil, oѺ∞/Talk 19:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- After looking at the file, it wasn't that hard address these.-- Patrick Neil, oѺ∞/Talk 02:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 October 2024
As of today, October 1st, 2024, Mark Rutte has succeeded Jens Stoltenberg as Secretary General of NATO. During a ceremony at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Rutte was officially installed. Tdfokker (talk) 09:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Already listed in the infobox. Looks like we don't have prose text on any of the past succession ceremonies in this article so not sure what you're looking for Cannolis (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Requested move on 11 October 2024
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not Moved per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 13:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
NATO → North Atlantic Treaty Organization – I think we should use the long name, NATO is basically just an abbreviation. 2601:C6:D200:E9B0:D19E:5DE1:CFCC:DCC1 (talk) 15:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Negative--the reliable sources and scholars all use NATO, as do the major newspapers. Rjensen (talk) 15:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- oppose per WP:NCA—blindlynx 16:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Britannica. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As blindlynx mentioned, WP:NCA says "acronyms should be used in a page name if the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject" and gives the example of NASA. I think it has to do with language and four letter acronyms, like the article North Atlantic Treaty is spelled out, but "NATO" is correct here.-- Patrick Neil, oѺ∞/Talk 20:31, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NCA—Anita5192 (talk) 21:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As noted, the organization is universally referred to as NATO, not by its full English name. This is verging on WP:SNOWBALL. CAVincent (talk) 21:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is a request from an IP with one edit, and even if made in good faith is obviously wasting editors' time. Requesting closure ASAP. CAVincent (talk) 08:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NCA. The acronym NATO is used universally, no matter which the language use (except for French-speaking ones which use OTAN). Most secondary reliable sources and scholar refer use the acronym-only NATO. 103.111.100.82 (talk) 05:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose YBSOne (talk) 06:56, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per NCA.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well majority doesn't knows the full form of NATO. Many of them search it and remember it as NATO because many news channels and news papers all use NATO while speaking or writing.NATO should not be changed to North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Sheikh Khizer (talk) 07:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. If it's not broke, don't fix it. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
New Infobox Map(s)
Hi, I think the map currently in the infobox deserves an update, so I created a new one with more accurate and up-to-date borders that aligns with the conventions on orthographic map projections, plus different colors indicating the territories of member states that aren't actually covered by the treaty (e.g., French Guiana). I also created another map to focus on the European member states, which I think deserves a spot on the infobox as well.
Qbox673 (talk) 05:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fabulous, thank you, those are great. The current map has some pretty atrocious cartographic issues. You can see in the topic above from September, I went into the SVG to fix deviations in the Iraqi border and add Eritrea, which had been somehow forgotten. As I mentioned then, zooming into it shows just how simplified it is, but even that degree of simplification on coastlines is inconsistent in different spots. So yes, I'll put both of those maps you made into the infobox with a switcher toggle. Patrick Neil, oѺ∞/Talk 19:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2024
Republic of North Macedonia 193.92.36.5 (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Anne drew 21:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 February 2025
Change the field "leader_name2" from Rob Bauer to Giuseppe Cavo Dragone. Giuseppe Cavo Dragone has become Chair of the NATO Military Committee (CMC) on the 17th of January 2025. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_NATO_Military_Committee Missouri9687 (talk) 14:02, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Done, thanks! -- Patrick Neil, oѺ∞/Talk 15:01, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
claimed: "No military operations were conducted by NATO during the Cold War." "
False. US Navy and Turkish Navy have conducted NATO operations during the cold war. NATO members also conducted military operations together during the Vietnam War. 50.53.60.181 (talk) 22:10, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for that? John (talk) 22:29, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 February 2025
Russia and Belarus are currently suspended from Partnership for Peace, note such as "Currently suspended" suggested next to Russia and Belarus under "Membership."[1] Breadispain (talk) 16:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)