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Elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx.

Brookville Record sales cannot at present be certified (7 x platinum – 2 albums) Another 5 to 7 million sales of Pickwick releases cannot be fully certified. Numbers are known, but they come from an audit report and not from actual sales accounting Missing sales info on pre computer sales Missing international sales reports. Elvis was not with RCA in many countries Missing SUN sales figures (small numbers I know, but!!!) About 400 U.S. album releases (RCA, Special products and more) all between one of other level of certification. RIAA only counts full millions. So if any album sold 1.999,999, it still counts as 1 million 24.218.114.189 (talk) 22:12, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the fact that in the four months after his death, an estimated 200 million Presley records were sold worldwide. None of those sales have ever been certified. Henceforth the billion records he sold worldwide figures. Victor0327 (talk) 23:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm confused. According to the RIAA website, the Brookville records (Elvis and Elvis in Hollywood) have been certified at least Platinum, as well as the budget albums from the '70s as either Gold or Platinum certifications. Are you saying the certified totals are only part of a larger number of sales that can't be certified at the present time? Grandmajohnnym (talk) 13:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well let me try to answer your question as coherently or cohesively as possible. The RIAA certified totals of Presley albums are 146.5. However The Recording Industry of America will only certify sales of albums that have reached the 500 thousand threshold mark, thus getting the albums bestowed with "Gold Award Status". Any albums that have not reached that echelon mark, for example, the albums "Good Times" "Promised Land" "Raised on Rock" have each sold over 400 thousand copies each, at last count. These three albums cannot be certify due to the faulty computation methods that the RIAA presently uses. Now people will argue that these RIAA rules apply to all artists; true, but in the case of an entertainer like Presley, who has released so many albums, he loses millions in the tabulation process being added to his United States sales. Moreover the astronomical amount of Presley albums released posthumously, after his passing, such as "A valentine gift for you" "Rocker" or the "Return of the Rocker" which were albums released in 1985 and 1986 have never been certified due to this faulty measure in RIAA methodology. In fact, another album named "Reconsider Baby" which sold enormously, and was released in 1985, selling over 450 thousands copies, but yet, to reiterate, can never be certified due to the methodology used by the RIAA in not reaching the coveted 500 thousand threshold mark. Now can you picture this? there is over 358 albums at last count, which failed to meet this RIAA criteria. If you compute or count the totality of all these uncertified albums, not counting the in-between levels, (RIAA only counts and certifies increments of millions) Presley loses easily close to over 100 million in album sales in the United States alone. How's that for controversy? Now getting back to Brookville records; the albums "Elvis" and "Elvis in Hollywood" were released in 1973 and 1976 respectively. I remember purchasing both albums as a kid, via mail order. Well, according to RCA (which by the way went bankrupt in 1986) and many music periodicals at the time (which are also no longer in existence), such as "Cashbox" and "Crawdaddy" magazines; both albums sold easily over 5 million copies each. Yet, only a fraction of the sales were certified by the RIAA in 1992. Why 1992? well this was the year that the RIAA auditors went through the corporate files of Colonel Tom Parker only to locate a semblance of the true sales for Presley recordings. And yet, Presley was awarded 110 Gold Platinum and multiplatinum awards, which became the largest Presentation to an entertainer for RIAA certificates. Lastly, if you figure the lost sales, meaning the sales in the aftermath of Presley's passing, which an estimated 200 million Presley albums were sold worldwide, you will realize that the certified totality of the RIAA is virtually ludicrous. Hence the obvious, not counting the sales of singles which Presley absolutely dominates; you can conclude without a doubt that Elvis Presley is the greatest album seller of all time and the highest selling artist period. I hope this helps my friend!! Victor0327 (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, gotcha. Thanks, Victor! BTW, the Brookville Elvis album commercial was the first time I ever heard him sing. He became my first and only favorite singer overnight. I wound up trading for that album and Elvis in Hollywood years later and still own them to this day. :-) Grandmajohnnym (talk) 19:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are very welcome my friend. Yes those albums are also still in my collection as well. It has a pleasure chatting with you. Victor0327 (talk) 19:42, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It has been a pleasure chatting with you. (Typo). Victor0327 (talk) 19:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Military service in infobox

Usually for people who do activities they are not primarily known for their articles may show this information with a specific infobox placed in a more relevant section if possible. The fact that there is not only a section here, but also a whole article devoted to his military service that already uses the military infobox makes it seem superfluous to use the template in the main infobox here. Linking that article in the lead seems already sufficient. Inpops (talk) 15:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to editors

Thanks to all of the editors who have maintained this featured article and congratulations on it being today's featured article.

Happy 90th birthday, Elvis. —  AjaxSmack  02:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Intro paragraph

Should we change "known mononymously as Elvis" to "often known mononymously as Elvis" or something? The way it is now makes it seem like his stage was just "Elvis" all the time 75.100.17.28 (talk) 14:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well his first name according to a recent George Gallup poll, is easily one of the most recognizable names in the history of humanity. Victor0327 (talk) 16:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've never gotten the point of the (hyperlinked) "mononymously". I mean, if you have to hyperlink it, it's not obvious, and the whole thing is just so redundant. "Known as Elvis" is good enough. And six blue links in the opening three sentences is more than enough, IMO. Drmies (talk) 19:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes my friend. I could not have agreed more. "Known as Elvis" is good enough!! Victor0327 (talk) 19:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I would go with "referred* to by many as simply Elvis" instead.
  • maybe "acknowledged" might be better.
Grandmajohnnym (talk) 11:32, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... or just "known by many as simply Elvis" - no need to throw everything out! :-) Grandmajohnnym (talk) 13:59, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To reiterate, as I previously pointed out; a recent George Gallup Poll stated that the name Elvis is more widely known in the last 100 years than any other two (first or last) names in the world. That is truly incredible, considering he is closing in on the 50 year mark of his death. Needless to state, yes "known by many as simply Elvis" makes perfect sense. Victor0327 (talk) 14:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that is incredible regarding his name's currency today. A lot of people are regarded as legendary, but he truly was and still is. Grandmajohnnym (talk) 17:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This summary page needs a glow up

Michael Jackson’s summary on his main page and cultural impact page have been grately expanded and more definitive of his legendary legacy. Both this page and Elvis Presley’s cultural impact page need the same treatmet. For example, MJ’s changed the “one of the most significant cultural figures of the 20th century” to “ever”. I think it’s fair to say the same for Elvis, who is often fighting with him for the title of best selling solo artist. This and among other things to take note of. 172.116.32.173 (talk) 07:44, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elvis outsold and outhit mj with a far bigger cultural impact. Plus, was a top box office draw. 2600:1000:B11B:EA9D:D1D3:63D4:5063:52F9 (talk) 16:22, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The reason the change was made for Jackson's page initially was because of the various sources on his article that cites various comparisons with Jesus Christ, Nelson Mandela and other major historical figures, so some editors believed it was warranted.. However this was later reverted as no consensus could be reached regarding the header. Elvis Presley is primarily seen as an American icon, while Michael Jackson, for most of his life and even today is widely regarded as one of the most globally recognized individuals in the world second only to religious figures.
So i think Elvis's current article is appropriate

Never17 (talk) 21:16, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would say keep the Elvis page the way it is, but change the MJ page so it's far less hagiographical. ;-) Grandmajohnnym (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And yet this is one of many issues that got the Wikipedia best selling artist listing directory page in trouble, and nominated for deletion. Can you imagine that some editors believe and I quote "that it was warranted citing various comparisons of Michael Jackson" to Jesus Christ or religious figures": a la St. Jude, St Peter, or Mother Teresa of Calcutta? This is hard core fanaticism. Some editors and their wiki counterparts have bordered on this type of extreme zealotry. This infatuation for Jackson has hampered the credibility of Wikipedia's best selling listing directory. In earnest, the article is being compared to "Chartmasters" which is another so called best selling listing article whose credibility is largely, nonexistent. I am hoping that we can improve and legitimize the Wikipedia best selling artist listing directory with objectivity, fairness, trustworthiness and not infatuation. And yet, I don't see it going away. The article has come repeatedly under scrutiny and repeated attacks from more than just some contributors; It has come under attack from historians and musical pundits who have question the veracity of some of these editors who believe that Jackson is greater or has outsold Presley, The Beatles, Crosby or Sinatra. Case in point: The RIAA puts Michael Jackson at number 6 in their best selling listings for artists. He is behind The Beatles, Presley, Garth Brooks, Led Zeppelin, and The Eagles. You can make the argument that this is only the tabulations for the United States. However at one point Jacksons claimed sales (within this best selling listing directory) were at 350 to 400 million. Practically overnight, his claimed sales were incremented to 500 million. The editors and wiki counterparts also made Jackson supplant Presley as the best selling solo artist within this list. This maneuver created a major uproar by many readers who believed that this was not correct, factual or honest, and accused this page and article of becoming a "Michael Jackson Fan Page". Now we know why; As of now, we are in a standstill. Not knowing how we are going to proceed, in not getting the aforementioned best selling listing article nominated for deletion again. But then again, we have tried in vain to formulate some type of consensus to give the article legitimacy and credibility. Sad to state, I think we have failed in this endeavor. Right now, after much soul searching I don't think we can ever achieve the type of legitimacy and factuality that can establish the Wikipedia best selling artists listing directory as a bona fide point of of reference. Victor0327 (talk) 03:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Once again if Elvis fans want him to move up the best selling artists page he will have to surpass Michael Jackson in certified sales not just by a small margin but a considerable gap to justify increasing his claimed total again since both have the same claimed sales. However Presley was previously audited and certified for all of his eligible albums in the 1990s, this is well documented at the time he gained 110 certifications. His estate frequently keeps him certified up to date in the United States which is his primary market and bulk updates all of his eligible albums, his last update was in 2018 for numerous albums. This means the most logical explanation of the Elvis's albums not yet certified in the US to date haven't met the qualification for Gold and sold under 500,000 even after a multi-million dollar biographical film. This makes the chances of Elvis ever catching MJ or The Beatles in certified sales incredibly unlikely as they continue to go up for digital sales and significantly out chart / out stream him despite being far more out of date for their records.
On the subject of the long argued "1 Billion figure"
Guinness World Records historically never cited record sales for Elvis Presley, this can be found by going through the editions of the books over the years, in various editions the claim was "His sales haven't been subject to a independent audit and cannot be verified" 1989 / 1996 / 2000. The first mention of this claim from them came from 2012 when suddenly they claimed he sold 1B records meaning such claim was directly ripped from Elvis's personal estate [1]. In the UK the Official Charts Company which handles all sales figures for the country reported that Presley's total physical single sales were 21 million units [2] / including digital sales he had only sold 4.5 million singles across his entire discography in the UK this century [3]
Let's go through the list of best selling albums by country shall we, the majority of these lists include claimed but not certified sales too
France (MJ listed 5x, Madonna listed 3x)
Germany (MJ and Phil Collins listed 4x each)
Canada (MJ - #1 Seller / Shania Twain - 3x / Pink Floyd - 2x)
Brazil (MJ and Madonna listed 3x each)
Indonesia (MJ #1 Seller - 800k / Whitney Houston - 320k)
Mexico (MJ is the top seller and appears 2x with Billie Ellish) /
Netherlands (MJ has #1 seller with 1.4M and 2 entries along with ABBA and Celine Dion)
Italy (Claudio has #1 seller, among foreign artists only Madonna has two albums. Beatles, MJ and Floyd have 1 each)
Japan (Mariah Carey has top selling foreign album, The Beatles and Michael Jackson each have a album with over 2 million here)
China (No foreign artist sold 500,000+ in pure sales besides Michael Jackson and Celine Dion / James Horner for the Titanic soundtrack)
Belgium (Best Selling foreign albums are Nevermind, Thriller and ABBA Gold. Celine Dion is listed 5x, U2 listed 3x with MJ and Britney 2)
Colombia (Best selling foreign album belongs to Backstreet Boys, No foreign artists has 2 albums listed besides Michael Jackson)
Argentina (The Beatles, Queen and Michael Jackson are the only foreign acts with a Diamond album)
Austria (Thriller is the best seller with over 400k, MJ and the Beatles / Robbie Williams all have 3 albums here)
Australia (ABBA has 4 albums listed, Bat out of Hell is the #1 seller, among 20th century acts Springsteen, Pink Floyd and MJ each have 2 albums)
This covers Every major foreign music market. In every single one of them Elvis Presley has not one single album making the list for any of these countries. If he was a big seller there they would have already reported on it.

This is not a forum and changes will not be made by fans blindly complaining. So far the only thing i've noticed is the same group of Elvis fans going from article to article being very immature demanding pages be taken down such as the best selling artists page for example. This is exhausting and will never go anywhere. 

 Never17 (talk) 06:04, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well first and foremost my friend, it is nice to hear from you. Second and most important let us not obscure the main issues that you have not rebutted to. The justifications for increasing Jackson's claimed sales from 350 million to 500 million based on total available certifications is a moot point that no one has been able to addressed or respond to. Moreover certified sales? Eminen with (345.8 million), Taylor Swift with (300.4) Beyonce with (308.7) and Drake with an astounding (556.8) million certified sales and countless others, have all eclipsed Presley in their certified totals. Does that mean that they have outsold Presley? or Jackson for that matter? or the Beatles? If you are to increased their claimed sales based on total available certifications like they did with Jackson, then this maneuver would then be resoundingly factual. Would it not? and yet your point and it's validity has been disputed many times. Not just by me but by many other respectable contributors who have exchange opinions with both of us. We have also covered this issue extensively and the points that you have raised have been unequivocally misrepresented. And I state this, with the utmost respect. The billion figures came from RCA (Presley's label) in 1982, and later (BMG) who purchased RCA, acknowledged this fact. And of course, the RIAA auditors who audited Presley in 1992, agreed without a doubt that Presley had sold way over a billion units. There is just too much documentation to just omit this fact. The Guinness Book of World Records is a book of facts. The book and its editors, do not fabricate or mislead the reader in any venture of fact. They have Presley as the best selling solo artist in history. They also pointedly have stated that Presley is by far the most certified RIAA artist in history with an staggering 299 RIAA certificates for the most Gold Platinum, and multiplatinum albums and singles as of present day. And most interesting and alarming, is the fact that there are over350 Presley albums and over 150 singles that have not been certified due to the RIAA thresholds criteria of not reaching the 500 thousand echelon required for being tabulated in the sales process. But that is another issue all together that for some reason, this best selling listing directory fails to adhere to. Again, I can over explain myself with facts and perhaps we will fail to reach common ground in reaching consensus. That being stated we can agree to disagree. Thank you for your response. Victor0327 (talk) 09:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Guinness didn't start claiming that until 2012.
The only complaints being made and demands for the page of best selling artists being removed are solely by Elvis fans unhappy that Michael Jackson surpassed him, constantly flooding the talk page with spam.
This is not a forum, and such discussions being brought up over and over again is pointless and never goes anywhere since it's long tired and parroted claims from the Presley estate from 40 years ago.
Do not get mad at the editors, if you want him to move up the article get people to start buying his records and stop buying Thriller, Fleetwood Mac's Rumors and other popular works from 20th century acts that continually outsell him worldwide
This is enough. Never17 (talk) 09:42, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You Have a great evening my friend. Once again thank you for your response. Victor0327 (talk) 09:49, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2013/10/03/elvis-presley-tops-digitally-streamed-artists-soundexchange/2909811/ 161.11.160.60 (talk) 13:11, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
let me get this straight
the mj article uses gwr most successful entertainer in hx but the elvis article cant use the gwr highest selling solo artist in hx. How can you cite a source and disavow the same source ?
fyi mj is not the most sucessful entertainer in hx. not based on box office, ticket sales, tv ratings, and concert attendance 161.11.160.60 (talk) 15:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the problem, Never17...
If you compare the combined album/singles discographies here at Wiki for Elvis with anybody else, you have to scratch your head as to how anybody could have more records sold than him. Between his obvious chart success and humongous number of albums, it just cries best-selling artist of all-time. Now the certified numbers for MJ are a definite plus for him, since he was fortunate to start his solo career when record certifications were more in vogue for musical artists due to publicity's sake than when Elvis started. All I'm saying is there is more to the story than the RIAA. Grandmajohnnym (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He's got around 60 singles and 200 albums that haven't sold enough for gold meaning they sold around 100k-400k units each or even less then that. The midpoint of that would be between 250,000 to 300,000 units each on average let's say, that would come out to 78-80 million units for the remaining records. At best we could give him another 100M+ from those but that's a long shot however if they didn't even sell 500k in his primary market the sales from outside the US would be pretty much negligible.
To date only 3 acts are claimed to have sold 500M or more. So our conflict only hinges on MJ / Beatles / Elvis who are all according to different sources the best selling artist of all time.
Since both Jackson and Elvis currently have claimed sales of 500 Million records it means that The Beatles stand as the best selling artist at the moment. Therefore i think it's fair to the Beatles those two cannot have their figures raised again unless their certified sales vastly exceeds that of the Beatles with a gap substantial enough to justify the move. Under this circumstance i think their certified sales should be at least 100M units above the Beatles (400M+)

Basically the point i'm making is you have a genuine argument, but so do i. Rather than picking holes and trying to tear apart the sales of these artists or comparing them due to discussions like this. I'd rather just accept what they have now and address the matter of who should be raised when that time comes which isn't now 

Never17 (talk) 23:38, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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elvis outsold and outhit mj.
graceland is the only private home where a sitting president ( bush) entertained a head of state ( pm japan)
we have lilo and stich to the hit elvis movie to a netflix elvis cartoon. wheres mj in current media.? zzzzzzzz
there are elvis statues across the globe. Millions from across the planet visit graceland.
the proof is in the stats
elvis outsold mj
elvis outhit mj ( more number ones,top tens,etc)
plus elvis was a top box office draw. 161.11.160.60 (talk) 16:45, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Elvis's broadway musical opened in 2005 only to flop horribly and closed down the same year due to low ticket sales [4]. Michael Jackson's Broadway musical has been top 4 in annual revenue each year and will finish this year within the top 10-15 all time.
Elvis's Cirque De Solei show opened in 2010 and closed down the next year due to low ticket sales [5]. Michael Jackson's first show is the most financially successful production ever, he followed that up with another one which has sold nearly 6 million tickets and given the average ticket prices would likely come out to 1 billion in revenue
Elvis was audited and certified for most of his albums in the 1990s within the United States, they recently re-certified him again in the US for more albums back in 2018 [6]. His certified sales are still nearly 70 million below that of Jackson and the Beatles whose certified sales are identical. 95% of his sales are concentrated within the US and UK, the latter of which is automatic when it comes to single certifications for digital performance. Michael Jackson has sold more in the UK alone right now than Elvis from every foreign country combined, and Jackson is missing all of his Japanese and Italian sales from the 80s due to them not being operational until the 90s.
Elvis's 100 million dollar biopic had less international box office revenue than Michael Jackson's low budget and boycotted rehearsal footage from 2009 which had a limited time release for around 3 weeks compared to the 3-4 month theatrical run of Elvis's movie [7]. This is it had nearly 200 million in international haul alone (unadjusted) which far exceeded not only Elvis but Taylor Swift's movie internationally despite being in her prime and touring actively overseas to promote it. [8] Elvis's biopic did only 136 million internationally and 156 million in the US from a near 4 month theatrical run, which is genuinely abysmal numbers and shows their little interest among today's consumers for him.
The we are the world documentary was the most watched musical documentary in the world last year, doing nearly 4x the viewership figures of Elvis had on the same platform.[9]
Michael has 8.8 Million daily streams on Spotify right now largely from 6 albums, he only has around 300 tracks on his catalog. The Beatles with nearly 3x the amount of songs in their catalog are only above him by 300,000 combined streams. Elvis Presley has a whopping 1600 different tracks on Spotify and is only at 3 million daily streams [10][11]
Janet Jackson, the sister of Michael Jackson had a documentary rank #1 in the United States in 2022 with over 20 million viewers. [12]
According to Billboard, Michael Jackson sells over 1 million album units in the United States alone every year. No other legacy act sells more annually in album sales. [13]
On Youtube, Michael Jackson has 5 videos over 1 billion views worldwide. Elvis has 600+ videos on his official music channel [14], the views from Billie Jean and Beat It alone exceed the combined viewership of every video the channel.
Elvis has 21 statues, of those monuments 12 came from the United States with half of that figure being from his home state of Memphis. Michael Jackson has 24-25 statues worldwide with only 2 of them being from the United States. China has 10 statues & a museum, Brazil has one, Africa has two, India has one
Elvis's best selling album sold 20 million, only one of his albums has sold that. Michael Jackson averaged over 31 million per album across his solo studio albums
Elvis's highest attended concert was 60,000 in Michigan. Michael Jackson did over 100,000 paid attendees 9 times in Latin America within the span of 2 months, he averaged 65,000 (higher than Elvis's peak attendance) per show during the History tour which was after serious allegations completely outside the United States. Michael Jackson has 11 concerts attracting 100,000, this is almost the same amount as every concert in the last 15 years combined across every musical act.
There's legitimately no world where Elvis is even in the conversation with Michael Jackson. Elvis does not come close to Michael Jackson in terms of global impact, longevity, and commercial success. Jackson consistently and widely outperforms Elvis across every metric—whether in Broadway and Cirque du Soleil productions, certified sales, international appeal, streaming numbers, box office performance, or concert attendance. While Elvis's influence remains largely confined to the United States and the UK, Jackson's legacy is a truly global phenomenon, with sustained popularity in virtually every corner of the earth, think of a country in the world and Michael's popular there. His dominance in modern digital platforms further highlights the stark contrast between the two, as Jackson continues to attract new generations of fans worldwide & is trending in the news every single day due to artists being compared to him or the media using his likeness to generate headlines. Simply put, Michael Jackson’s success, cultural reach, and enduring influence far surpass anything Elvis Presley achieved. Elvis isn't even close to artists like Queen, Bob Marley or Madonna today. His peers are acts like Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby. Never17 (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
you are souting debunked nonsense with lack of common sense
1) the riaa severely undercuts elvis true sales because of they account for sales.
Brookville Record sales cannot at present be certified (7 x platinum – 2 albums) Another 5 to 7 million sales of Pickwick releases cannot be fully certified. Numbers are known, but they come from an audit report and not from actual sales accounting Missing sales info on pre computer sales Missing international sales reports. Elvis was not with RCA in many countries Missing SUN sales figures (small numbers I know, but!!!) About 400 U.S. album releases (RCA, Special products and more) all between one of other level of certification. RIAA only counts full millions. So if any album sold 1.999,999, it still counts as 1 million 24.218.114.189 (talk) 22:12, 14 December 2024
when elvis died in 1977
elvis sold over 200 million records. rca records needed 3 plants to keep up with the demand. 24.218.114.189 (talk) 21:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He did not sell more than 200 million records in a year, that's complete nonsense and quite literally impossible.
All of your figures are taken directly from the Elvis estates claims which just like that Aloha in Hawaii concert where they claimed 1 billion viewers when it was actually only around 180-200 million. They have a history of overestimating and inflating numbers Never17 (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1) riaa severly undercuts elvis sales. by all metrics gwr, riaa ,sony records elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx.
2) elvis was declared king of digital streaming 2013 ( mj never was)
3) elvis declared worlds greatest idol ( americaN IDOL TV SHOW)
4) PEOPLE MAGAZINE DECLARED ELVIS entertainer of the century and worlds biggest teen idol
5) elvis statue in vegas stating KING OF LAS VEGAS, because people flew in across the globe to see non self proclaimed king elvis and raised vegas revunue across the board
6)elvis has the biggest selling christmas album in hx
7) people visit graceland across the globe
8) elvis movie during covid. mj movie right after he died
since you like to compare a seventies concert to a 80 mj concert
elvis tv ratings blow away mj or jackson 5 tv ratings
elvis known throughoput the globe from india to africa
elvis outsold mj ( multiple sources state this)
elvis outhit mj ( more number ones, top tens,etc)
elvis is the most certified riaa artist in hx
elvis had a far bigger cultural impact
racist radio stations were forced to play elvis music to compete with non racist ones
even his hair style is iconic
top ten most iconic hairstyles article 24.218.114.189 (talk) 22:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Avatar 2 came out the same year as Elvis and made 2 billion, at least 9 different movies in 2022 made over 500 million worldwide at the box office and 3 different films made 1 billion.
Elvis made less than Black Adam which was considered a flop and Sonic the Hedgehog 2. It only ranked 23rd worldwide that year in foreign box office. It ranked 12th in Domestic Box office despite a 4 month theatrical run.
There's literally no argument here, i get your a fan and that's fine but facts don't support the narrative. Elvis Presley is a American icon from the 1950s and 1960s at a time when America was still fairly racist and skewed heavily against minorities. Today he doesn't resonate much with the average consumer since the world now is extremely diverse and there's tons of other more popular artists out there across multiple continents. This constant bias fanboyism has grown tiresome and it's no longer worth engaging with. Never17 (talk) 22:35, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
you have zero rebuttal
mj movie is actually mj . mj did die 3 weeks prior. elvis movie is an actor obviously
notice you omit
elvis outsold mj
elvis outhit mj
elvis was the biggest draw in vegas ( blew away jackson 5 vegas sales)
jackson 5 even copied elvis jumpsuit
mj last supper has elvis in it
elvis is known globally from numerous articles, statues, songs and the millions of people who visit anually
elvis was declared king of digital streaming 2008-2013 ( mj never)
elvis was declared the worlds greates idol
the stats show elvis was bigger and had a far bigger cultural impact to hair,clothing and sexual atttudes
you have been debunked. 24.218.114.189 (talk) 00:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]


weird? elvis biggest selling single ( its now or never) outsold the we are the world single ( you have been debunked) elvis outsold mj (that debunks your argument) millions from across the globe visit graceland ( Global) millions from across the globe flew into vegas to see him perform ( Global)

Elvis needs a glow up

eLVIS IS A GLOBAL ICON WHO CHANGED FASHION, CULTURE AND Music Millions yearly visit graceland from across the planet Elvis was stated and considered the king of las vegas because people flew in around the world to see him and raised vegas revunues across the board elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx ( Gwr ,Sony records) Elvis currently had a hit movie, multiple documentaries and even a cartoon..

Elvis was declared king of digital streaming ( 2008-2013)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2013/10/03/elvis-presley-tops-digitally-streamed-artists-soundexchange/2909811/ 161.11.160.60 (talk) 11:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

worlds greatest idol

elvis was declared the worlds greatest idol

American Idol Elvis & Celine Dion Duet "If I Can Dream" i cant post the you tube video

please add in his achievements 161.11.160.60 (talk) 12:57, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My friend, both of your points are well taken. However there is a need to remember that all opinions matter. And displaying decency and respect toward each other also matters. The interchangeable mudslinging that has being displayed in this talk page/article has created an unhealthy environment. The contributor/Wiki editor known as Mr. Never 17 has an opinion, and thus, he must be respected. You, my friend, have an opinion and you also must be respected. In earnest, both Presley and Jackson were two extraordinary entertainers who redefined an era. What is there to argue about? Moreover many of us are trying to make the proper adjustments in order to make this best selling listing directory truthful, unbiased and legitimate. More and into the point; to be used as point of reference by all respective parties. How about it? can we invoke some type of pacifism between the different factions of dissent? You and your counterparts, alongside Mr. Never 17 can somehow reach some type of compromise with decency and courtesy by respecting each others opinion for the sake of all contributors, readers and editors of this best selling listing directory. We all deserve better. To reiterate, how about it? In closing, thank you both, and to all parties for your contributions. Victor0327 (talk) 14:13, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My argument and evidence is valid and in my opnion debunks his lacking context claims.
Elvis outsold mj ( riaa,gwr,sony records) more people purchased elvis usic than mj music. plus,elvis sold far more merchandise fyi
2) elvis outhit mj easily. ( elvis has more number ones,top tens, top 40s etc)
3) multiple historians have stated elvis was the greatest cultural figure of the 20th century. ex) nash .elvis influenced everyone from the beatles to barry white.
4) elvis was called king of las vegas because millions flew in to see him and it raised revune for las vegas across the board GLOBAL
5) millions yearly visit graceland from across the planet GLOBAL
6) elvis has hits from japan to mexico global
7) there was an elvis movie, netflix elvis cartoon and lilo and stich ( 2025 disney film) clearly elvis is still relevant today
mr never lacks common sense. this is it was played in theaters with zero covid, people still liked going to the movies, it was actually mj AND MJ DIED 3 WEEKS BEFORE THE FILM CAME OUT. tHE ELVIS MOVIE WAS DURING COVID AND IT WAS PLAYED BY AN ACTOR.
mr never brings up the documentary we are the world. last i checked it was many stars in that documentary. elvis biggest single outsold the we are the world single
stats matter to compare
you cant compare a 70's concert to the eighties. the concert venues in the seventies were much smaller
thats why you cant compare tv ratings from the fifties and the eighties
its comical
mj article uses the gwr ( most succesful entertainer) for mj. when many acts have surpassed mj in sucess( concert tours money, hits, grammies ,etc) clearly mj is not the most sucessful artist in hx.
but the editors of elvis refuse to cite the gwr for elvis
THE HIGHEST SELLING SOLO ARTIST IN HX
OR THE MANY OTHER ACCOLADES I POSTED PRIOR.
ELVIS WAS GLOBAL AND OUTSOLD MJ 161.11.160.60 (talk) 15:55, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes my friend!! I am not disputing the validity of your claims. However, I do not want to obscure or shroud the issue. The issue being that both of you gentlemen have a different preference, in connection to both Jackson and Presley being global worldwide phenomenons. I happen to agree with everything you have stated. I also agree with his take, that Michael Jackson was an excellent entertainer. I am old enough to have seen Elvis in the old Hollywood Sportatorium in 1977. I also saw Jackson in concert at the Orange Bowl in Miami at the height of the Victory tour in 1984. Both concerts were majestic, so to speak. However as I previously pointed out, going back to the issue; opinions matter. And his opinion also matters and must be respected. Mr. Never 17 has been an excellent contributor/editor with an extensive and thorough knowledge of the subject at hand. Regardless how much you disagree with him, his opinion has being valid on many points and issues. Moreover we can always agree to disagree with mutual respect and accord to all different points of view. Don't you agree? Regardless both of you have been excellent contributors to this best selling listing directory and must somehow establish a formal impasse, for in this particular situation, no progress can be possible. In closing, let us agree to disagree with courtesy and decency for goodwill to persevere. Thank you for your response my friend. Victor0327 (talk) 16:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Differences of opinions should be respected with courtesy and decency:

Some contributors are engaging in offensive mudslinging and obviously this must stop. This is creating a very hostile and unhealthy environment. We are here to engage in a constructive agenda to formally make adjustments on how to better improve this page and best selling listing directory. We must agree to disagree with decency and respect toward all opinions. This is not a forum to engage in disparaging one another. Moreover we must somehow establish a formal impasse, for in this particular situation, of who was the greater entertainer, between Jackson and Presley, no progress can be possible. In closing, all opinions matter and thus must be respected. let us agree to disagree, with courtesy and decency for goodwill to persevere. I am hoping that both respective factions can heed this call and thus make a complete halt to this irrelevant argument. Thank you!! Victor0327 (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

agreed
but my comments are still valid. MR NEVER IS CLEARLY BIASED AGAINST ELVIS. ELVIS WAS GLOBAL AND HAS THE STATS THAT SURPASSES MJ ( HE IGNORES THEM)
please add to elvis of achievements
Highest selling solo artist in history ( GWR)
KING OF DIGITAL STREAMING ( 2008-2013)
WORLDS GREATEST IDOL ( AMERICAN IDOL BROADCAST)
HIGHEST SELLING US STAMP IN HX
millions visit graceland from around the world
THOSE are facts that can easily be verified by there links
Please update elvis wiki page. He earned it. 161.11.160.60 (talk) 17:41, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Never 17 is an excellent contributor who has an opinion, and thus must be respected. You are also a great contributor who has an opinion and should also be respected. This argument is over. In closing, Let's show one another respect and courtesy, for the sake of all contributors, readers and editors. We all deserve better. Have a great day my friend. Victor0327 (talk) 17:50, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i am not asking to put anything mj related to a elvis wki page. I am not asking for a comparision.
i am simply asking for elvis wiki page to be updated with relevant achievements . facts matter,not opinions. 161.11.160.60 (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well my friend take a quick look at the Elvis WikiPage; The narrative of "over a billion records sold" has been recently added to Presley's list of achievements. This narrative intertwined with it's perspective paragraph was not there. To reiterate, it was recently added and updated. In fact, if you look at Presley's listing of achievements it states and I quote "with a billion estimated record sales, Guinness World Records ranks Presley as the best selling solo artist of all time". In the opinions of many, including but not limited to, musical historians and pundits, that is a fact, not an opinion. Furthermore, you have to keep in mind that this article and it's respective best selling listing directory is still a work in progress. The fine editors including Mr. Never 17, whose contributions are enormous, coupled with contributors like yourself, are still making improvements to this article and it's related best selling list. Give them a chance. We are still making headways through improvements. The adjustments and modifications take time. Hopefully we can all appreciate these endeavors. In closing, thank you so much for your time and courtesy. I am hoping you can acknowledge the good work that the editors of this best selling listing directory are doing. It was a pleasure chatting with you. Best regards. Victor0327 (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
thank you 24.218.114.189 (talk) 22:15, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are very welcome my friend. Victor0327 (talk) 23:06, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please add to his achievements

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2013/10/03/elvis-presley-tops-digitally-streamed-artists-soundexchange/2909811/


Here's the list of SoundExchange's top 10 digitally streamed artists, for 2003 to 2013. Elvis Presley Bruce Springsteen Pearl Jam Rihanna Drake Usher Lil Wayne The Beatles Taylor Swift Grateful Dead 161.11.160.60 (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please add to his achievements

Elvis Presley holds multiple Guinness World Records (GWR). Sales Best-selling solo artist of all time, selling over 1 billion records worldwide Chart returns Longest gap between a record topping the UK charts and returning to the top, with "Jailhouse Rock" in 2005 Longest gap between a record topping the US charts and returning to the top, with "Heartbreak Hotel" in 2006 Awards Most RIAA certificates ever, with 299 awards including 171 gold, 94 platinum, and 34 multi-platinum discs 161.11.160.60 (talk) 13:44, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think is actually necessary to persist this matter, my friend. In delving into other websites, including but not limited to " The Guinness book and other reputable sources, Presley is still recognized by just about everyone as the best selling solo artist of all time with over a billion records sold. What achievements are there to add? In fact, the Beatles are also recognized as the best selling band with over a billion units sold. Moreover even if you ponder the question to (AI) the artificial intelligence plateau, and you framed the same question; as in who is the best selling solo artist? you get Elvis with over a billion records sold and the same with the Beatles as a group. I ask you again; what achievements are there to add? The claimed sales within this Wikipedia best selling listing directory and Presley page have become trivial with little or no credibility. However as I previously stated, I am hoping that the Wikipedia best selling artist page does not fade into oblivion, and thus get nominated for deletion again. The reason? If you delve into the deletion discussion which was on May 18th 2024, you will see that I was a vociferous defender of the article, in not being deleted. I am hoping that somehow we can make the proper adjustments and modifications in making the aforementioned best selling artists article and Presley page credible and factual. In closing, thank you for your response and contribution. Have a great day my friend. Victor0327 (talk) 16:32, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think those Gwr elvis records should be posted.
Elvis was also king of digital streaming from 2003- 2013
Elvis was declared the worlds greatest idol on the american idol show/celine dion episode 161.11.160.60 (talk) 18:04, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You've been pushing this for at least a year now. You've gained zero support, much less consensus. Perhaps it's time to move on to something else. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 18:11, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weird?
Only 2 responded to my posts
One for my edits and one against
Seems like i am 50 percent in agreement 2600:1000:B168:9648:BCFA:BD7C:7787:729D (talk) 22:43, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've been a fan all my life, but I have to agree with Victor0327 and Jpgordon nothing more here, time to move on. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My two cents: if GWR is indeed reporting those facts in their latest book, then by all means they should be included. It's not like we're talking Joe Schmoe's Book of World Records. :-) Guinness has been a major and creditable source since the '50s, so what they state has weight. With that said, if there is another credible source that counters GWR, then that should be included also. I'm more about accuracy than propping up (or tearing down) anybody included on Wikipedia. Grandmajohnnym (talk) 13:47, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes and you are absolutely right; accuracy is everything. But we have tried and failed so many times to formally established legitimacy factuality and accuracy. I mean what do we do? The individuals who run this article (perhaps not all) or (maybe some) be it some editors, or some influential contributors; have never acknowledge the facts. Believe me, we have tried and failed to reach some type of formal consensus, to reiterate, establish credibility and legitimacy within this best selling listing directory. All we have gotten is the same rhetoric intertwined with "THIS IS NOT A FORUM" and of course, the needless mudslinging and offensive tirades that have followed all points of facts within these grammatical conversations. Moreover as previously stated, (some not all) have discredited the Points of reference such The Guinness Book of Records and The World Almanac. Furthermore, some have even accused the so "Called Elvis fans" of wanting to delete this page. And yet, if you delve into other websites, not limited to, "REDDIT", "QUORA DIGEST" or "QUORUM" and read the complaints about this page and article; you will acknowledge the facts of why we have been nominated for deletion so many times for not listening, or rather reading the concerns, of readers, whom many are respectable musical pundits and historians. This sheer stubbornness has created and unhealthy social platform that has impeded all of us including myself, from making headways in order to facilitate the improvements of this best selling listing directory and accompaniment articles. So in earnest my friend, I respectfully ask, what do we do? how do we proceed with the lacking of honesty, objectivity and factuality within the confines of this Best Selling Listing Directory and it's respective artists biographical contents? at this juncture or stage of the game, I don't have an answer. However I am hoping that maybe some editors or Wiki-Contributors will see the light and correct the many discrepancies that need correction within this best selling listing directory with decency, courtesy and respect toward the contrarian opinions of the reader. In closing, We all deserve better. Victor0327 (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Best selling listing directory"? Whatever are you going on about? "Social platform"? Wikipedia is not a directory. Wikipedia is not a social network. Nobody "runs this article". This is quite certainly not a forum. This page has never been nominated for deletion; whatever is that all about? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:57, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Mr. Gordon The best selling artist listing article or to use another name for the same understanding, the best selling listing directory of artists was nominated for deletion on May 18th 2024. Check the archives of the "Talk Page" of the best selling artist listing article. I was one of the contributors who voted for the article not to get deleted. Moreover the definition of a listing and I state this with the utmost respect is "a directory" in correlation to the subject at hand. Nobody runs this article? Then who writes it? or rather stresses it's points of views? is it not the editors? And moreover what do you mean with "What are you going about"? Let me give you a formal answer. I am "going about" in trying to make the proper adjustments and modifications to achieve legitimacy within the article mentioned. This and the issues I have raised is what is all about. And with all respect, making corrections to an article that needs CORRECTION. In closing, thank you for your response. Victor0327 (talk) 17:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since there are numerous pages on Wikipedia that cite Guinness as a source, either there should be a total ban regarding that reference's use or allow its use completely. Sanctioning it for one page but not another makes zero sense to me. Grandmajohnnym (talk) 17:47, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree: I don't believe any rational objective contributor can dispute the validity of your statement. Victor0327 (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elvis_Presley