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:On top of this, the fact that these men appear from their names to be Japanese doesn't really make this an American-Japanese co-production. None of the secondary sources imply that TPC is one of the production companies, and [[WP:NOR|even if we were allowed assume they were]] I don't see why we would: all our articles on the Japanese animated films suggest that TPC have never acted as the production company for a film, as [[OLM, Inc.]] appears to have produced all of them. Owning the copyright on the original IP does not make them one of the production companies by default, and it doesn't make this a Japanese film.
:On top of this, the fact that these men appear from their names to be Japanese doesn't really make this an American-Japanese co-production. None of the secondary sources imply that TPC is one of the production companies, and [[WP:NOR|even if we were allowed assume they were]] I don't see why we would: all our articles on the Japanese animated films suggest that TPC have never acted as the production company for a film, as [[OLM, Inc.]] appears to have produced all of them. Owning the copyright on the original IP does not make them one of the production companies by default, and it doesn't make this a Japanese film.
:[[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 13:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
:[[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 13:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Look, we don't need a citation on the fact that Toho helped produce this film. It says in the production billing that they did.

Revision as of 12:47, 9 April 2019

Detective Pikachu will now be distributed by Warner Bros. instead of Universal Pictures

Hey, everyone. I just wanted to inform everyone that Warner Bros. will now distribute the Detective Pikachu movie.[1]

MatthewRC (talk) 22:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Production company(s)

NinjaRobotPirate, why did you add Universal and Toho? See the official trailer: Warner Bros. Pictures, Legendary Entertainment, The Pokémon Company. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 12:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I explained to you on your talk page, a trailer is not a reliable source. A reliable source has editorial control. A trailer does not have editorial control. Variety Insight has editorial control. Variety Insight is thus a reliable source. Interpreting what you see in a trailer is original research. Copying what a reliable source says is not. This is why {{infobox film}} says " When possible, this should be cited to reliable secondary sources that explicitly identify the production companies." This is to prevent what you're doing – using original research to interpret primary sources. Universal and Toho are listed by Variety Insight. See, for example, this cached version of Variety's database. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is outdated information. The movie moved from Universal to Warner Bros. in July (Variety). Also see Pokémon: Detective Pikachu#Production. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 12:24, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the film moved from one studio to another does not mean the first studio is not a production company. What makes something a production company is being listed as such by a reliable source – not your own belief. Variety says they're a production company, so they are. It's really that simple. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Universal was removed from the "production company" at the end of July. The fact that you're just now adding it to the article looks weird. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 12:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
NinjaRobotPirate, Variety's database does not say that Legendary is a distributor. This calls into question the reliability of the source. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You've got to be kidding me. I'm an administrator on Wikipedia, and I don't have time to get engaged in debates on who produced or distributed films for little kids. I'm just removing this article from my watchlist. Stop pinging me – I'm busy doing other things, and I don't have time to explain to you what a reliable source is. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon Appearances

There should be a list of all the different Pokemon that appear in the movie.

Something this detailed probably belongs better on Bulbapedia or specific sites; Wikipedia isn't for every information available. Juxlos (talk) 13:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Besides, the list is likely to be enormous and very difficult to get 100% accurate, if the amount seen in the background in the trailer alone is anything to go by. Plus, pages for other Pokémon movies don’t have this, aside from some that are a major feature of the movie. GloverMist (talk) 15:21, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marketing

I've removed the "Marketing" section as seen here per WP:FILMMARKETING. Per the guidelines, such a section needs to be more than customary marketing methods. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 15:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What was wrong with it? What do you mean by "customary marketing methods"? The section looked similar to what I've seen on other movie articles (e.g. MCU movies). Maestro2016 (talk) 16:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The methods that everyone uses, releasing posters and trailers and TV spots. It's indiscriminate detailing. These can be mentioned if there is more to say that just that these were released. See The Martian (film)#Marketing for an example. I haven't read the MCU movies' marketing coverage, but hopefully they are more than just the indiscriminate detailing that is disallowed. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 18:58, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Another example is Valkyrie (film)#Marketing. Basically, if a film does not have anything besides the usual stuff, there does not need to be a "Marketing" section in its article. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw that the "Marketing" section was restored with view-related details about the trailer. That works great! Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heck instead of fuck

Why does it say that Danny DeVito said "What the [heck] is Pokémon" instead of "What the fuck is Pokémon"?

Probably some self-censorship. Anyways, I just added "fuck" into a Wikipedia article. Juxlos (talk) 15:18, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Executive producer list, & "Japanese co-production"

Okay, so ... who is executive producing this film? The IPs' cryptic edit summaries make it difficult to tell what they are referring to. Could someone put together a list of sources currently in this article and other sources supposedly available on "the official website" and list the different exec prods given in each? Hijiri 88 (やや) 13:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.detectivepikachumovie.net/ does indeed appear to have a poster-style production billing visible when one clicks the "legal" in the bottom right, listing Carraciolo, Mendes, Ishihara, Okubo, Miyahara, Matsuoka, and Ota, but with just the names, and no indication that these are executives of TPC. Also (obviously) we can't be including information from this source and falsely attributing it to the Business Insider source, which only gives Caracciolo, Jr. and "The Pokémon Company's Tsunekazu Ishihara". Additionally, this other source currently cited in the article lists Joseph M. Caracciolo Jr., Kenji Okubo, Satoshi Tajiri, Toshio Miyahara, and Tsunekazu Ishihara.
On top of this, the fact that these men appear from their names to be Japanese doesn't really make this an American-Japanese co-production. None of the secondary sources imply that TPC is one of the production companies, and even if we were allowed assume they were I don't see why we would: all our articles on the Japanese animated films suggest that TPC have never acted as the production company for a film, as OLM, Inc. appears to have produced all of them. Owning the copyright on the original IP does not make them one of the production companies by default, and it doesn't make this a Japanese film.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 13:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Look, we don't need a citation on the fact that Toho helped produce this film. It says in the production billing that they did.