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== Apostrophes, March 2016 ==

"It's", meaning "it has", is not possessive. In this case, the apostrophe indicates omission, as in "he's", "I'm", we're", etc.

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Guiness Record Holder

He has acted in 266 movies but others have acted in more. For example, the tamil actress Manorama has acted in more than 1500 of them. Therefore, it could be edited to read "in Hollywood" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.4.15 (talk) 13:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but it is real movies we are talking about. Not estern-wannerbe-movies! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.181.71.146 (talk) 13:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon number information

Per the Internet archive, The Oracle of Bacon's earliest archived page lists Christopher Lee as The Center of the Hollywood Universe (there might be earlier Center info if the URL from when it was at U of Virginia can be found). This lasted until he was supplanted by Rod Steiger in the 2003 list. Would it be appropriate to mention that here somewhere, or is it best mentioned only on the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon page? Tm14 (talk) 10:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is the same Christopher Lee?

I notice there is a Christoper Lee who is cast in Scorcese's Hugo. Is this the same actor? If so, this role he plays is not included in his Biography or his filmography. Pjt48 (talk) 13:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes --85.23.206.44 (talk) 17:10, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BLP

"Stories vary as to why Lee did not feature in the 1960 sequel The Brides of Dracula. Some[who?] state that Hammer was unwilling to pay Lee his current fee, but most[who?] tend to believe that he simply did not wish to be typecast. Lee did, however, return to the role in Hammer's Dracula: Prince of Darkness in 1965. Lee's performance is notable in that he has no lines, merely hissing his way through the film. Again, stories vary as to the reason for this: Lee states he refused to speak the poor dialogue he was given, but screenwriter Jimmy Sangster claims that the script did not contain any lines for the character. This film set the standard for most of the Dracula sequels in the sense that half the film's running time was spent on telling the story of Dracula's resurrection and the character's appearances were brief. Lee has gone on record to state that he was virtually "blackmailed" by Hammer into starring in the subsequent films; unable or unwilling to pay him his going rate, they would resort to reminding him of how many people he would put out of work if he did not take part." - there are a load of BLP violations here, accusations of unprofessional behaviour really should be cited or removed. Sophie means wisdom (talk) 13:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Work with rhapsody of fire

Christopher Lee has done quite a bit of voice acting for rhapsody of fire on a couple of their albums, but I don't see any info about that. Can someone who isn't as noob at wiki as me add it in? 50.135.250.142 (talk) 03:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SNL Joke?

The current version of the article contains the following completely inexplicable line:

In 1978, Lee surprised many people with his willingness to go along with a joke by appearing as guest host on NBC's Saturday Night Live.

That's it, that's all the detail provided. What's "the joke"? Being guest host? That makes no sense. Was it when he flubbed the line, introducing Meat Loaf (he read the cue card, and instead of saying, "Ladies and Gentlemen, Meat Loaf!", he said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, Loaf!", ostensibly thinking the card meant for him to say, "Meet Loaf", instead of "Meat Loaf", and he just decided to drop the "meet", which he incorrectly assumed was superfluous. Anyway, I don't know if that was an intentional "joke", but neither did the editor who added that, so if it's not better explained, I'm eventually going to remove the whole thing. 76.106.149.108 (talk) 20:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

trained opera singer?

From time to time, someone claims that he is also a trained opera singer. HE surely has an operatic bass-baritone voice, and has sung such parts, but did he receive actual operatic training, and if so where and when? There's nothing about it in the article... -- megA (talk) 19:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

German fluency

The article claims that he is fluent in German (the reference for this claim is an article that never makes that claim), however he has appeared in interviews wherein he states he doesn't speak German so well because he has never studied it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zd9jA1WNCc) and there's another video where he has to have an earpiece for the German to be interpreted in English for him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=572LUZA3veg). I think this is enough proof to downgrade his German ability to moderate instead of fluent. Unimaginable666 (talk) 10:01, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More or less as an aside, I met him once in Italy; and I can attest to his fluency in Italian. JHobson3 (talk) 14:40, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

18 November 2012 Death Rumors

I can't find a reliable source to support the ip editor's claim, so I am reverting it. If he did indeed die, please provide a credible source. Paulthomas2 (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Guinness World Record

The second paragraph of the lead states: "He has performed roles in 275 films since 1946 making him the Guinness World Records title holder for most film acting roles ever." The source of the reference is an article from The Metro dated 14 September 2008. The articles states that Lee "was listed in the 2001 record book as the star with the most screen appearances to his name – after playing about 300 film and TV roles." The lead gives no indication as to when this occurred or whether it holds true in 2013.

The Metro article was about Lee appearing in the then forthcoming Guinness World Records 2009 as Most Connected Living Actor. Aside from Lee still being alive, the title is quite arbitrary and based on a university database of who has worked with whom. Is the database kept up to date; and is not being identified as living “in the centre of the Hollywood universe" (which appears to be a quote from the University of Virginia) rather an indication of bias in analysis of the worldwide profession of acting? Kmitch87 (talk) 00:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Almer Mater?

Seeing as he's a British Actor, and "Alma Mater" is an American phrase (as stated in its relevant article), wouldn't a re-wording do better? That would seem to meet Wikipedia's policy on geodialect-relevant articles being predominantly written in the applicable dialect. Alternatives might be "Secondary School" or "Sixth Form". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.30.66 (talk) 13:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Alma Mater isn't an American phrase, it's Latin. And it doesn't mean "Secondary School" or "Sixth Form", it just means "old school". It has been used this way for considerably longer than the United States has existed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.93.66.145 (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But isn't the use of Alma Mater for the "college from which an individual has graduated or which they have attended" [to quote Wikipedia] not a modern American expression?Royalcourtier (talk) 04:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

'Alma Mater' isn't used in the UK - I suspect many other English speaking countries don't use it either. A large proportion of British people won't have heard it, or seen it in print. Notreallydavid (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know what on what evidence Notreallydavid bases his comment, but as far as I know, it is still common usage in the UK. Although it may be less frequently used now than in the past, as the use of Latin phrases has declined, that is an insufficient reason to avoid its use. Philip Cross (talk) 04:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is certainly NOT "common usage" in the UK. It is an American expression.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:05, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Include war service in introduction?

Could anyone who has the skills mention his war service in the introduction? I only just found out about it and am impressed and surprised.

It would be good for it to get a mention at the top of the article where people skim as they browse, and I think it is a relatively little known fact.

Another Christmas Album

He's releasing "A Heavy Metal Christmas Too" [1] 24.188.197.22 (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rumors of Occultism?

Rumors of Occultism, I was under the impression that Wikpedia doesn't dabble in rumors. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:11, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To support that claim, in the first quote regarding his experience with M.R. James, Lee himself admits that "few men have created such a profound impression upon me, and I partially attribute my lifelong interest in the occult to my subsequent discovery of the horror stories penned by that most intriguing and intimidating of men". Also, check out Lee's first album as a singer, called "Christopher Lee Sings Devils, Rogues & Other Villains (1998)". There's no Wiki-article about it yet, but it was produced by the two creative minds behind a satano-fascist band called Radio Werewolf, Nikolas Schreck & Zeena Schreck (née LaVey, the daughter of Anton Szandor LaVey), a pair of self-confessed satanists and ritual magicians. The album was published through their very own label "Wolfslair, Inc." as you can see here and here. Considerung these facts, it seems quite likely that Lee's quote in the last paragraph of the article, that he had met "people who claimed to be Satanists. Who claimed to be involved with black magic. Who claimed that they not only knew a lot about it," and that he "warn[s] all of you never, never, never [get involved]. You will not only lose your mind, you'll lose your soul" is referring directly to the Schreck's, but since there's no further evidence or proof to support this conclusion, that part stays highly speculative, although the fact remains that they created, produced and published his first full-length album in 1998. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.240.121.238 (talk) 05:34, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

260 squadron mutiny

I can understand members of 260 Squadron being "frustrated with a lack of news", but why specifically about "the Eastern Front and the Soviet Union in general". This was a British not a Russian unit. How and when did Lee become "an expert on Russia", and how was this relevant to him talking 260 Squadron "into submission" (more likely out of mutiny)?Royalcourtier (talk) 04:01, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Royalcourtier. I don't have the book to hand atm, but iirc they were frustrated after hearing conflicting information about the Eastern front and the Soviet Union - whether the Soviets were advancing, whether they were really allies etc. As detailed in the section above, Lee had stayed with Russian families on a Summer holiday in the south of France just before the war began and had since then become an expert on Russia, so he was able to answer their questions. Hope this helps. Tiller54 (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Page photograph

The picture representing Christopher Lee is not a photograph. It is a digital painting of some sort. Shouldn't we use a photograph instead? Gotmountains (talk) 07:39, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is it correct to use a picture of him in his later years, now that he is deceased?

Death

The Telegraph are reporting Christopher Lee has died - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11666316/christopher-lee-dies-live.html --Beeurd (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note that above link clearly includes a reproduction of his death certificate dated 7 June. Paul B (talk) 12:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Beat me too it by a minute! On edit: Which, it has just been pointed out to me, is about 93 years too late to be a birth certificate...! Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 12:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The date of his death has been confirmed as the seventh day of June. Very clear and unarguable.--Julius R.S (talk) 13:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You just woke up?! I think that's been established by now. "LOL" Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 13:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice to have a prime-age photograph of him up front. While he was an elder statesman of his craft, the aged picture made sense, but no longer. I'd say that Dracula was okay, but that would probably cause a fight! WHPratt (talk) 05:02, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A Quote to remember

"The World is a sorry place. Sad place. What do we do about it? What do we do? Everything we can. When we can." -Christopher Lee at the "Women's World Awards" in 2009. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zd9jA1WNCc?=2m47s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.88.153.64 (talk) 00:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The British Empire

Hello, guys. Why is "Born" pointed out that Christopher Lee was born in the United Kingdom? He was born in the British Empire.Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 13:30, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He was also born in 'The Northern Hemisphere, The World'; but we don't mention that either. Since when was the BE a country of birth... or a country at all? Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 13:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Funny. See Template:Infobox person#Parameters ("Place of birth: city, administrative region, sovereign state.") and Template:Infobox person#Examples. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 13:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Let me rephrase the point. No, hold on- I'll just repeat myself instead. Since when was the British Empire, then, a sovereign state? Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The "sovereign state" in this case is the United Kingdom. The British Empire was not a sovereign state. Afterwriting (talk) 14:08, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's true. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 14:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for confirming that Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"English" or "British"?

An argument has arisen about whether Lee ought to be referred to as "English" or "British" in the intro. Can any experts on the MoS guidelines shed light any light on this? Thanks. Afterwriting (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He was accurately described on this article as being English since at least 2006. Upon his death, an editor or two have decided to try and change it with no justification to British. I reverted those edits. The only guideline is to not go around changing such descriptions, unless you have a reference to justify the change. We wouldn't be having this discussion if he had been Scottish, Welsh or N. Irish.... 78.145.80.218 (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No one is denying that he was English. Calling him British is also accurate. The question is what is considered more appropriate in Wikipedia articles. So please justify your preference for English with a reference to the Manual of Style instead of a "nobody else has complained" non-argument. Afterwriting (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Most British people just call themselves English. Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 18:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can you source that assertion? lol! Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 18:53, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't watch RT. Most of the British people live in England, so the majority of British describe themselves as English (demonym). Federal Chancellor (NightShadow) (talk) 19:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's been a weird issue for quite some time but at the moment the prevailing attitude seems to be that English, Scottish, Welsh, and (Northern) Irish should be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.192.35 (talk) 12:22, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection

I have requested this vis a vis the repeated changing of his death-date. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 15:42, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -Ty User:Ymblanter. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 16:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Poor phrasing?

"Lee died at the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital on 7 June 2015 at 8:30 am after being admitted for respiratory problems and heart failure, shortly after celebrating his 93rd birthday there" -- did Lee celebrated his birthday in hospital? 37.144.65.76 (talk) 21:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Independent source used says 'He celebrated his 93rd birthday in hospital' 80.1.219.140 (talk) 04:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The ext links looks ok to me but it has been tagged as excessive. The two news article should be move to the botton so the more important links to the bios can move up. 118.93.90.74 (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done by another - Arjayay (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know?

Does anyone know if his funeral had taken place or if he was buried or cremated? Just curious because he was such a big part of my life! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Apostrophes, March 2016

"It's", meaning "it has", is not possessive. In this case, the apostrophe indicates omission, as in "he's", "I'm", we're", etc.