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The result was redirect‎ to Jim Bridger#Media portrayals. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I did a WP:BEFORE and found only one source of info, which is listed in the article, [1], and also an interview. The other sources in the article are either WP:PRIMARY, WP:ROUTINE press releases, an Instagram post, or IMDb. Therefore, it does not pass WP:GNG. Conyo14 (talk) 04:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and United States of America. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Urbina, Rafael (2024-01-11). "How to Watch The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger: Stream Series Premiere Live, TV Channel". Sports Illustrated. Archived from the original on 2024-02-05. Retrieved 2024-09-24.

     The article provides 239 words of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger is set to make its series premiere on Thursday night on INSP, with the series showing tales from the Western frontier which were inspired by the adventures of the famed mountain man Jim Bridger. As Bridger guides a new wave of Americans heading west, he must help them survive the same life-and-death situations that made him a legend. The series started with the debut episode titled "The Prizefighter," and it tells the story of when Bridger's second-in-command begins enforcing camp discipline with brutal violence."

  2. Leydon, Joe (2024-01-11). "C&I Q&A: Rib Hillis of The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger". Cowboys & Indians. Archived from the original on 2024-09-24. Retrieved 2024-09-24.

     The article provides 142 words of non-interview coverage about the subject. The article notes: "It’s a long way from the fashion capitals of Europe to the frontiers of Montana, but Rib Hillis has made the transition smoothly and authoritatively to play the title role in The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger, the new series premiering Thursday on INSP. ... With Tall Tales of Jim Bridger, the multitalented New York native gets his big chance to display his versatility by persuasively portraying the legendary 19th-century mountain man and frontiersman who explored the entire distant West and survived countless hair-raising adventures, and became an invaluable guide for settlers in search of new homes and lives for themselves. Of course, as the title indicates, the real Jim Bridger was known to, shall we say, exaggerate his resume. The series acknowledges his status as a not-always-reliable narrator, but shrewdly invokes dramatic license now and then to amp the entertainment value."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 10:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I suppose I disagree with this assessment, mainly that they are partial coverage and not significant. The first source is primarily a press release, while the second lacks the in-depth coverage. But we both find a different interpretation of that and I can accept that. Conyo14 (talk) 11:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cunard: As a publisher, post-2019 Sports Illustrated (SI) is questionable for various reasons. I learned most of this from a recent discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/References (which you may find helpful), and a trip down the RSN archives is also very illuminating. If you can prove that the author of that piece is a real human with respected credentials and reputation in this topic area, then that might be sufficient for establishing reliability akin to how WP:EXPERTSPS works. Left guide (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing this out. I didn't know that Sports Illustrated had published AI-generated articles. I am striking out this source as it was likely AI-generated as I cannot confirm that Rafael Urbina is a real person. The article is also no longer on the Sports Illustrated website. This CNN article says, "Sports Illustrated on Monday said it had deleted several articles from its website after a report found the once-celebrated legacy magazine had published the pieces under fake author names and profile images generated by artificial intelligence." With only one source remaining, the television series does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The sources presented by Cunard are convincing and I agree with Cunard's assessment. Also, a redirect being warranted, I am opposed to deletion of this article. Thanks, Cunard.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Mushy Yank (talk · contribs). I've changed my recommendation after finding that one of the sources was likely AI-generated. Cunard (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Is that so? All right, I am a very artificial intelligence myself so this !vote will automatically strike itself out :D. Thanks for the ping. Yours, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there is a disagreement over whether found sources are sufficient to establish notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect I'm not entirely convinced the sources really represent significant independent coverage when the Sports Illustrated reads like an advertisement and the Cowboys & Indians piece is an interview with the actor. I do not think that a preamble introductory explanation of the subject really makes it independent of the interview, when the interview is the headline. That said, if the sources are deemed inadequate to keep the article, it could probably reduced to a section in Jim Bridger until/if more reliable sources are located--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 02:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Note to the closer, I am also in favor of an WP:ATD as a redirect/merge. Conyo14 (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Conyo14, do you agree with the proposed target article? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Conyo14 (talk) 05:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Jim Bridger#Media portrayals (with the history preserved under the redirect), where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion.

  A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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