The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Knuckles the Echidna. I am not in a position to do this myself, but perhaps the regulars to the page can do so. Stifle (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Knuckles the Echidna (comic character) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Nothing but an in-universe "fictional biography" of a less-notable depiction of a video game character. Delete or Merge to Knuckles the Echidna. Jonny2x4 (talk) 17:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge: To Knuckles the Echidna. But I do request that it is a good long section.Fairfieldfencer FFF 17:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Knuckles the Echidna already has this well covered. No need for two articles on a secondary video game character --T-rex 19:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as redundant. Also, just redirect to the original article, as per...well, everyone. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Knuckles the Echidna as per T-rex and WP:MERGE - there is significant "overlap" here and no reason for a whole article for the comics at this time--Cailil ^talk 21:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Knuckles the Echidna per WP:MERGE. Significant enough overlap. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Knuckles the Echidna has this covered, and would not benefit from having 79 tons of solid unreferenced crap dropped on it. It has its own referencing and notability issues. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge probably about two paragraphs of relevant material to Knuckles the Echidna and redirect there. No need for all of this in-universe stuff that is completely unsourced. --Craw-daddy | T | 21:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no real life, third party reliable sources to meet notability for the article, just like virtually every other article on Sonic the Hedgehog that I have seen, including the major games and Knuckles the Echinda! Unfortunately this is a problem which is widespread, and this AfD may be the first of many from a number of editors. --tgheretford (talk) 22:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Transwiki any content that is salvageable to http://sonic.wikia.org . If it's a fictional biography, then a site like that Wikia is likely able to hold this fancruft, should they not have it already. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 23:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Let Angel Island fall on the article Merge the content, but don't redirect. Nobody will be looking for something with (parentheses) enclosing it. Raymie Humbert (TrackerTV) (receiver, archives) 23:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • How can you definitively state what "no one will ever look for"? I look for parenthetical subjects all the time; I reckon many people do, who frequently search for comics or video-game related articles. Redirects cost nothing and harm nothing, so there's no compelling reason not to have one. Ford MF (talk) 14:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with the main article on the character, as there's no need to have an article on a variation of a character. Question in response to one of the comments above: Wikia is not part of Wikipedia nor is it affiliated in any way to my knowledge. Would the "trans-wiki" option actually be applicable? To my understanding it's only applicable when referring to moving material to a Wikipedia-operated site like Wiktionary. Just a comment. I agree with the above that there's no need to keep this as a redirect. 23skidoo (talk) 02:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Wikipedia:Five pillars (notability to a real-world audience, consistent with a “specialized encyclopedia” concerning verifiable fictional topics with importance in the real world) and What Wikipedia is. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 03:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The same guidelines you cite also states "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", clearing citing "plot summaries" as an example. These articles are nothing but plot summaries of story arcs in publications.
    • All fixable and surmountable issues that can be addressed by using reviews and interviews the discuss the character. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per A Man In Black. A large pile of unsourced in-universe information, which Knuckles the Echidna has already covered in a better balance per WP:UNDUE. – sgeureka ^t•c 07:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I revised it somewhat to make reference a section more out of universe. Clearly a legitimate search term that at worst would be merged and redirected without deletion. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 08:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per most everyone. I've always found the existence of the Archie Comics version of Sonic characters ridiculous. JuJube (talk) 14:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete At the risk of repeating what's already been said, the article is duplicative and unnecessary. Surely, anyone looking for the character would look for 'knuckles' rather than 'knuckles (comics)'. The main character article (which is weak and of dubious legitimacy itself) really doesn't need a load of WP:NOT#PLOT violations (of which this article mostly consists of) merged into it. Bridies (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Please note Wikipedia:Merge and delete. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into main article on character, but cherry-pick a few of the most important bits only and compress it to a minimum - there is far too much unsourced, unneeded content. ^Synergy/_{Blades (Talk)} 00:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Man in Black. WP:NOT for plot summaries, etc. Fin©™ 09:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge where applicable, and redirect. Character offshoot that does not seem distinct enough to warrant its own article, and would be better covered in Knuckles' main article (which could use some tidying itself). Ford MF (talk) 14:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per a Man in Black; merging this is unnecessary - the info that would be merged already exists, as MiB points out. Eusebeus (talk) 14:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Article has improved since nomination and since several of the delete "votes", but even without that, I just noticed something that gives me cause to recommend a speedy close/keep. A merge discussion was underway when this AfD as initiated. Therefore, we should let that discussion play out first and then see if an AfD is necessary, but we absolutely should not have two related discussions occuring simultaneously. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  The improvements consist of renaming a header and rearranging some templates. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as original research. Redirect to Knuckles the Echidna per discussion below. --Explodicle (T/C) 19:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Information verifiable in a variety of sources that does not advance a thesis is not original research. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 21:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • What sources? I'd imagine most of it would be from the primary source (comics themselves) anyways. What secondary source has addressed this directly in detail? --Explodicle (T/C) 22:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Reviews of the comics that also mention the characters. "Knuckles" in general is a notable character across multiple forms of media (even a titular character in games) and so at worst I could see a reasonable case for merging and redirect to an article on just Knuckles in all of his incarnations, but given the number of editors who worked on and read this article, it's obviously a legitimate search term and so the real disucssion should be about whether it's worth merging and redirecting, but I don't see any basis for something as decisive as an outright deletion. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 02:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • That sounds fair. Changing my opinion to redirect. --Explodicle (T/C) 13:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Thank you for being open-minded.  :) Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - For the record, if we're going to use the titles as redirects, that doesn't mean that anyone will just be allowed to recreate the content of the article. Jonny2x4 (talk) 15:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Merge: To Knuckles the Echidna. central character.Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete ans possibly transfer this in-universe material to a Wikia site which is dedicated to these types of things. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 22:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia is a specialized encyclopedia as well as a general encyclopedia and so Wikipedia is also dedicated to such subjects. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 00:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.