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The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 00:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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A player in U20 World Cup cannot qualified the criteria to a notable footballer. He may or may not became a professional footballer, in although he already signed a professional contract. Matthew_hk tc 14:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability, only Olympic games are qualified a notable event. This is the special case for the American who played at Olympics and high school soccer, but never became a professional player, and became a waiter. Matthew_hk tc 14:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Meets WP:GNG [1], [2]. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 14:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Caps for youth national teams do not confer notability (the olympics notwithstanding), and therefore fails WP:ATHLETE. The only coverage on him that's out there are match reports of U-20 matches, reports of his transfer to Mainz, and some player profiles, and in my opinion that does not classify as significant coverage. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but if somebody passes GNG but fails ATHLETE, shouldn't the article be kept? TheWeakWilled (T * G) 17:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Jeffrey was the subject of a full page article in a German newspaper (see article for detail) and has been the subject of several articles in other publications like goal.com and vi.nl. Much of the coverage is fairly trivial, but I think there is enough detailed coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. The fact that he hasn't played football in a fully-pro league is irrelevant - and he has fairly significant accomplishments for a 19-year old which have led to the media coverage. Jogurney (talk) 17:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I understand the problems when considering WP:ATHLETE and WP:CRYSTAL, but this is just silly. Unless he suddenly quits football, dies or gets an injury which prevents him from playing, he will quite easily become notable soon and the page will be recreated anyway. Note that if he had played one minute at Club Brugge he would be notable (and moreover, if he were to die right now with one minute played he would still be notable). The notability criteria were set up to prevent articles to be created about any John Doe who has ever kicked a ball, but seriously: Jeffrey played in two youth world cups, two youth CONCACAF cups and just signed his second professional contract with a European first division team! Deleting is just being WP:BURO and again, you KNOW it will be recreated anyway because sooner or later he will play. On top of that, I also agree with WP:GNG although I would not object to maybe another reference or two (not anymore, enough now ^^). Pelotas^talk 18:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• ATHLETE is a supplement to the GNG, not a replacement. Significant coverage of his U-20 exploits in reliable sources is enough to confer notability. It's counterproductive to repeatedly delete biographies for up-and-coming players on technicalities like having not made any professional appearances yet when existing coverage would suggest that to be inevitable in the long run. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He will became a professional footballer itself is crystal box. May be tomorrow i find some "superstar"in World Youth Cup but not became professional footballer. Age 20 is too young to determine he can play football professionally. Matthew_hk tc 19:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment But age 20 isn't too young to pass WP:GNG. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 19:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Carlos Eduardo Dutra de Oliveira of 2007 edition, did played a national league match. claiming GNG is useless. Many player with some media coverage deleted based on the consensus Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability. Revering the consensus with GNG only make the notability criteria collapsed. Matthew_hk tc 19:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For example some Italian youth products with some media coverage how "talent" he is, it that pass? Matthew_hk tc 19:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just like Kelvin Bossman, an article at FIFA.com[3], moved to a non-professional league, notable?! Matthew_hk tc 19:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People fails WP:ATHLETE but passed GNG is someone likes Simone Brunelli, who sued Inter his former club, and said his signature on transfer docs is not his, and one of the player inflated by Milan many times to gain false profit in player exchange. He did not play his professional debut. But for Jeffrey, may youth team player of notable club have a lots of media coverage, but no means he is notable enough. Matthew_hk tc 20:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FOOTY/Notability specifically states, "Should a person fail to meet these additional criteria, they may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability." The GNG is the important test, and while not everyone may agree that Jeffrey has significant enough coverage to pass it, if he does, the article should be kept. Jogurney (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also I should note that Jeffrey has had some significant accomplishments - (1) US high school soccer player of the year in 2008; (2) played at FIFA U-17 & U-20 World Cup finals, scoring once; (3) signing three-year professional contract with Brugge (Belgian First Division); and (4) signing three-year professional contract with Mainz (1. Bundesliga). None of these individually is a huge accomplishment, but all of them combined by the age of 19 is pretty unusual/notable. The Dallas Morning News and Allgemeine Zeitung dedicated space to his exploits. Yanks Abroad.com and Goal.com have covered him fairly often as well. It's not accurate to say he has accomplished little. Jogurney (talk) 20:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

another example is Ronald Huth, played for Liverpool FC (big enough?) but he still yet to made a debut, for a small club Italian Serie B. Matthew_hk tc 23:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Matthew_hk thanks for your examples, but those are rather the exception than the rule no? Also, did all those players have the same accomplishments as given by Jogurney, or was it more some guy making a name for himself by writing a report saying that they have found a "talent"? I think the fact that this article has been deleted about 1.5 years ago after a long discussion proves that Jared Jeffrey is still regarded as a big talent and not some guy who will suddenly disappear. Pelotas^talk 23:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Technically would seem to fail WP:ATHLETE a the moment but I think it is valid based on reliable sources and coverage and would probably be a waste of time deleting it only to have it restarted in a worse state later when he "officially" passes pro requirements. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 21:16, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Doesn't matter if he meets WP:ATHLETE or not, as he meets WP:GNG. But even if he didn't, given the amount of media speculation that he'll be playing very shortly, it seems counter-productive to delete the article at this point. As article was previously deleted, the edit history for the previous version should be restored. Nfitz (talk) 08:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Probably just passes the general notability guidelines. Failing WP:Athlete is not a reason for deletion if there is significant coverage in reliable sources. Camw (talk) 04:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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