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The WikiProject Greece Newsletter Issue XII (VIII) – March 2011

Project news This is the eighth newsletter of the WikiProject Greece, and the first after a two-year-long hiatus! Please comment on its form, the way it is delivered, its content etc. We need your ideas and contributions! Recognized content: as of publication, our project stands at 47 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 11 A-class articles and 102 Good Articles, making up 1% of its ca. 15,000 tagged articles and lists. Ongoing drives and discussions – You can help! Due to the restructuring of the administrative divisions of Greece as a result of the Kallikratis reform, a large number of administrative units and settlements need to be updated. Please refer to the discussions at the project talk page and the overview table for more information. Project members are requested to aid in checking the huge backlog of articles created by Pumpie (talk · contribs) for mistranslations and original research. This affects over 2,000 Greece-related articles and lists, and your help is vital! A new portal on Greek Macedonia has been set up: Portal:Macedonia (Greece). Please contribute by adding content and improving it and the other portals related to our WikiProject! Additional input is always needed in the ongoing deletion discussions about Greece-related articles. You can help with assessing unassessed articles for quality and importance (Guidelines).

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Thanks for uploading File:Koskotas.jpg. I noticed that this file is being used under a claim of non-free use. However, I think that the way it is being used fails the first non-free content criterion. This criterion states that files used under claims of non-free use may have no free equivalent; in other words, if the file could be adequately covered by a freely-licensed file or by text alone, then it may not be used on Wikipedia. If you believe this file is not replaceable, please:

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Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media item by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by creating new media yourself (for example, by taking your own photograph of the subject).

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Thank you for uploading File:Koskotas.jpg. However, it is currently missing information on its copyright and licensing status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can verify that it has an acceptable license status and a verifiable source. Please add this information by editing the image description page. You may refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem.

Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi A.Cython. All non-free content is required to have two things: a non-free copyright license and a non-free use rationale. You provided a non-free use rationale, but didn't provide a copyright license. Files without a copyright license are eligible for speedy deletion per WP:F4; if no license is provided before seven days have passed, the file can be deleted. I suggest using the license {{Non-free biog pic}} in this case since that seems the most appropriate. None of this, however, is going to likely matter since the file is almost certainly going to be deleted before then as "replaceable non-free use" per WP:F7. I saw you're contesting this fact, but non-free files of still living persons are pretty much never allowed per Wikipedia's non-free content use policy because in almost all cases its reasonable for an equivalent replacement image to either be found or created that can serve the same encyclopedic purpose as explained in WP:FREER and item 1 of WP:NFC#UUI. Given that Koskotas is no longer imprisoned, you're going to have a hard justifying the use of this or any other non-free image of him. Wikipedia's non-free content use policy has been set up to be much more restrictive than fair use, and this is one of the ways that it is. Anyway, this is just my assessment and an administrator will review what you posted on the file's page and decide whether the file meets the criteria for speedy deletion or should be further discussed at WP:FFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:13, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @User:Marchjuly, it is the first time uploading such a photo. The last time was more than 12 years ago about things happening over a century ago. So, if the community thinks it should not be there, it is ok with me. I had to try to learn something about it (the process, etc). Thank you for explaining this to me; it was very instructive. Do I delete the image or just wait for it to be deleted? A.Cython (talk) 05:28, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only an administrator can delete a file. An administrator should review the file within a few days. If they decide it meets the criteria for replaceable non-free use, they will delete the file. If not, they'll decline the speedy deletion and either cleanup what needs cleaning up or suggest the file be further discussed at WP:FFD. If you don't want to wait until then, you can request that the file be deleted per WP:G7 by adding the syntax {{db-author}} to the top of the file's page. The file should be deleted fairly soon after you do that. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:45, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Marchjuly I just requested for deletion. It seems more appropriate. Again, thank you for clarifying this to me. It appears it is a lot more difficult to find photos without copyright issues. A.Cython (talk) 05:54, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you do a Google Image search of "George Koskotas", you'll find there are quite a number of photos of him available online; unfortunately, all them seem (at least at first glance) to be released under licensing that's too restrictive for Wikipedia's purposes. Given that his case appears to involve the US federal government, if you could find a photo of him taken while he was in custody in the US that was taken by a US federal government employee as part of their official duties, the photo might be within the public domain as explained here. It needs to have been taken by an employee of the US federal government, though; anything taken by a state, city or other local government official would likely still be protected by copyright. The other option would be to see whether you can find any original photos of Koskotas posted by the photographer who took them on some social media account; if they're the copyright holder of the photo, you might be able to convince them to give their WP:PERMISSION. Other than that, you can try contacting the subject himself and asking him if he could provide an original photo, either a selfie or one perhaps taken by a relative or friend. It's a bit of a long shot perhaps but some users have gotten photos that way. One last thing is that given Koskotas is Greek, if you could find an original photo published in a Greek publication that would be OK per c:COM:Greece, then it should be OK for that to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons; before doing that, though, you might want to ask about the photo at c:COM:VPC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:10, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will try your proposals. The Greek wiki on el:Σκάνδαλο Κοσκωτά has the first page of a newspaper with a Koskotas' picture as well. Is this good enough? A.Cython (talk) 06:18, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the challenge is that even if it is originally from a Greek publication, it is difficult to verify this. Maybe even the one I uploaded was from a Greek publication, but it would be next to impossible for me to figure it out. I will keep looking.A.Cython (talk) 06:27, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Each language Wikipedia is a separate and distinct project from the others; there might be some overlapping, but they've all got their own policies and guidelines. I'm not familiar with Greek Wikipedia's image use policy, but any files uploaded to English Wikipedia would need to meet English Wikipedia's policy. FWIW, since English Wikipedia has more users and more articles, it's policies and guidelines tend to be applied more vigorously than perhaps is happening on some of the other language Wikipedias. It could be a case that the file in question isn't OK per Greek Wikipedia policy but just that nobody pointed it out so far. I highly doubt that particular file would be OK to use under English Wikiepdia's non-free content use policy, except possibly perhaps as a non-free image being used for primary identification purposes in a stand-alone article about that particular paper or that particular issue of the paper. In such cases, it could be treated as album covers, book covers, magazine covers, etc are treated in articles about albums, books, magazines, etc., but it wouldn't have issues with WP:FREER and item 9 of WP:NFC#UUI if you tried to use it in the English Wikipedia article about Koskotas. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:17, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]