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I Am Living Proof

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Fails WP:GNG. Extremely niche attention only. TheLongTone (talk) 13:51, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: A redirect to List of Christian films can be considered but some of the sources on the page + https://gazette.com/life/christian-evangelist-mario-murillo-debuts-film-about-colorado-springs-residents-healed-at-2022-tent-revival/article_212879fc-d7b3-11ef-b679-fb115590b31a.html + https://www.movieguide.org/reviews/i-am-living-proof.html might be considered enough for a standalone page-Mushy Yank. 21:34, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KOER-LP

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Recently defunct LPFM that fails WP:GNG. Chuterix (talk) 18:19, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Close as redirect. Chuterix (talk) 18:20, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mal Fletcher

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No independent sources. Most of the sources are organizations the article subject founded or worked on, such as Next Wave, 2020 plus, Edges tv, Youth Alive, their youtube channel. Two sources are interviews with the article subject. Two sources link to error pages, such as one titled "Oops". Truthnope (talk) 21:47, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nom. A quick search shows no other good sources. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 22:19, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete almost all the sources are from nextwaveonline which is a website founded by the article subject. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 22:41, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Delete unfortunately, I could not find any independent sources except for this which could be used to establish some notability but I still think doesn't give him enough material for a WP article. ❤History Theorist❤ 20:26, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unida Christian Colleges

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Has been unsourced since its inception in 2010. Fails WP:GNG Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:47, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I think you're confusing being unsourced with failing GNG. There appears to be an appropriate amount of potential citations in Google, Google News, and Google Scholar. I saw a substantial number of false positives in Newspapers search. I recommend a BEFORE search and reassess. Jclemens (talk) 09:08, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is no confusion. There are no viable sources at all available even. All I got is the official website, the Facebook page, LinkedIn and generic university directories. There is an article from the Philippine Daily Inquirer but that is an advertorial for the Climate Action Project. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 11:44, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Biola Media Conference

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Very few independent sources found about conference; I found this from 13 years ago by HM Magazine and a Biola-affiliated post (this). The Phil Cooke source is a blog. Perhaps this could be PROD'd but I don't feel confident putting it up for PROD. Would also be OK with a redirect to Biola University. ❤History Theorist❤ 01:13, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No evidence of any notability. Searches demonstrate many links from the University and social media sites and some blogs, but nothing independent and reliable. Fails WP:GNG Velella ^{Velella Talk} 01:26, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Looks like it was stubbified a few years back instead of being deleted as promotional. I didn't see any of the excised content as unjustly removed. Jclemens (talk) 01:43, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I don't even see any valid search/nav reason to redirect this. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:52, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. Fails WP:GNG. Madeleine (talk) 04:20, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

God the Sustainer

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There appears to be no unified conception of "God the Sustainer". BEFORE revealed a couple non-RSs and no clear evidence that this isn't just a common adjective. The current article is rife with original research. No good evidence this would make a strong disambiguation page, as no adjacent topics exist. The 2006 AfD should've probably been closed as delete. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I suspect there are enough sources for this, but even if not, the content can be merged to Names of God or some other target, rather than being deleted outright. There's a good bit of primary source usage here, but it's really not that OR-ish, all things considered. Jclemens (talk) 04:32, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge is probably preferable as an ATD. It's very close to WP:TNT. The "Christian" section is not even wrong: the sustainer of the Holy Trinity is the Holy Spirit, and she's not happy with this section. Bearian (talk) 09:42, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Conceptions of God: Specifically to this place, since the concept is attested in multiple religions. The standalone treatment appears to be WP:OR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Conceptions of God: agree with Dclemens1971 above. But to merge, will need to find sources because currently most of the content is without source. Asteramellus (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: While I still lean delete here. I just don't see a basis for a merge when there's a lack of sourced content. A more acceptable option to me would be redirecting to Conceptions of God. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:46, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A few sources that could form the basis for merged content: [1], [2], [3]. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:58, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: Thanks for linking those! It looks like things are more than leaning merge, so those will be good to assist in executing the consensus. ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Conceptions of God enough sources to warrant a merger. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 05:00, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Conceptions of God. Stopped reading at "God the sus" because the separateness of this whole concept is sus. Deity is definitely the sustainer in Islam, where it's one of the 99 names of Allah, and in Pandeism, where this is essentially its only function. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anglican Adam Preaching Society

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Questionable notability, and WP:PROMO problems run too deep that it is probably better to start over from scratch. —Mint Keyphase (Did I mess up? What have I done?) 04:58, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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David Peter Halliwell

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David Halliwell the playwright is notable, but David Halliwell the radio presenter and priest is not. I see several non-independent sources and trivial mentions but no WP:SIGCOV in secondary, independent, reliable sources. No additional qualifying sources turn up in a WP:BEFORE. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:18, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for reasons similar to those I enunciated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Paul Burton, created by the same SPA. Anglican priests are typically leaders in their towns, so they get in the local news frequently. Thus us totally run of the mill. As a member of the Anglican community, I'm sympathetic to this priest's works, but that's not a reason to keep. Bearian (talk) 07:58, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KRQZ

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This station is a classic case of a rebroadcaster of national Christian radio networks, though it was recently sold from one to another. Unlike most, it once had some local programming, but the notability case is thin enough to suggest a redirect to ESNE Radio instead of the current content. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 01:59, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to ESNE Radio: I suspect if there was enough significant coverage to justify retaining a separate article here (beyond the 2001 Santa Maria Times article), the nominator would not have taken this to AfD. That seems not to be the case; redirecting as an alternative to deletion may be the best that can be done here. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Next papal conclave

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Fails WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. I am making this discussion in response to a challenged ProD, which four editors, including myself, endorsed. I believe that this article is too speculative; this page essentially details the next papal conclave, which we don't know when it will happen. Additionally, I believe this page was created because of the reports that states that Pope Francis was in critical condition, which I believe contributes to the speculative nature of this article. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 01:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clearly fails WP:CRYSTAL. Esolo5002 (talk) 02:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Might as well get a start on it. Hyperbolick (talk) 09:49, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in general, the next election for the next head of state of a country is something which usually has an article because it is known for certain that it will happen, even if it is not known when. There are more than enough reliable sources covering it to justify an article. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 16:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there are more than enough sources for it. I don't think TOOSOON or CRYSTAL applies here, bcs next does not necessarily mean 2025. Draftify as an alternative, bcs speculation has a small chance of not been sustained if and when the pope recovers. DWF91 (talk) 16:30, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify (or delete). While this subject will sadly probably be notable at sometime in the foreseeable future, at this point it's all just speculation. Once official announcements are made and we can write something more substantial it can have a page. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 18:41, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Chessrat, it's usual for unscheduled elections to have pages, e.g. Libya, Sudan, Palestine and Ukraine. As for an election triggered when the incumbent dies, the only one I can think of is Iran's Supreme Leader. The page has enough reliable sources and I think it should exist regardless of the Pope's condition. Khronicle I (talk) 20:27, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources clearly indicate a WP:GNG pass now, and it corresponds with similar pages on upcoming expected elections and so passes the WP:NOPAGE test of GNG. This conclave will take place, provided (as they say in my part of the world) "the good Lord tarries and the creek don't rise." It's not WP:TOOSOON because reliable and independent sources are already talking about it in significant depth. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep An event that is expected and has GNG coverage does not violate WP:CRYSTAL. There is information about the voters and how the conclave will be organized. --Enos733 (talk) 04:35, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - When the papacy becomes vacant? this article can easily be recreated, with the year included in the title. Until then? there's no need for it. GoodDay (talk) 05:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and GoodDay above. Article can easily be recreated under a more plausible title, unlike the current one which is speculative and unhelpful. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:49, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We have both a critical health episode that would be certainly be present in the eventual episode and we have sources naming papabile, however distasteful that may be, so TOOSOON and CRYSTAL would not apply here. The threshold of certainty and verifiable information that we would want has crossed into the zone where an article can be created. At the very least, the article should be kept as a draft. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Chessrat, Khronicle I, and Patar knight. Even before pope Francis' illness we should probably have had an article on the next conclave, given the importance of the papacy and the wealth of other articles we have about upcoming elections without a set date. WP:CRYSTAL says that "future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" and that if preparation "is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented", both of which this article seem to pass. Morbid as the cause of those new sources may be, they are emerging left and right, which only solidifies it to me that the time has come for this article. 87.49.44.28 (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm not sure this does pass GNG - the only sources are "here's how a conclave will work." SportingFlyer T·C 01:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Just wait for the Pope to die. This isn't comparable to "next election" articles because the Pope's death doesn't happen on a regular schedule. The equivalent would be having an article titled "Next coronation of the King of the United Kingdom". Like others have said, the article can easily be recreated with a more precise title once the Pope dies. Keeping this as a redirect after that article is made is more justifiable but in my opinion not preferable as the redirect will be way "too soon" right after the next conclave is complete. Yue🌙 01:46, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify because it is better to have something for when an article is needed imo. Alexeyperlov (Complain) 14:34, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify - my initial reaction was that of Yue and WP:THISISMORBID. But upon further reflection, the stoic and/or Christian would say, be ready. Memento mori. Genesis 3:19 (NRSVA) says, "By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." Bearian (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Presbyterian Church in Korea (BokUm)

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No refs on the page for many years and I am unable to WP:V the basic details as they appear on the page. It's entirely possible that these can be verified in non-English sources but I'm not able to find them. JMWt (talk) 10:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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fwiw, it appears that there was a previous AfD as part of many bundled pages about Korean churches. That ended as NC see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korea Jesus Presbyterian Church JMWt (talk) 10:51, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can't find any sources covering this church to a significant degree. Cortador (talk) 10:52, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Presbyterianism in South Korea: The page creator had a track record of creating articles on every single obscure reformed denomination regardless of notability before his block, often using highly unreliable sources. In this case, while the page is unsourced, the subject does appear in brief mention in the standard reference work by Bauswein and Vischer. So, this denomination exists (or did at one point). But I can't find any WP:SIGCOV, in English anyway, beyond a capsule description in Bauswein and Vischer, so I think a redirect is an appropriate AtD that preserves the page history should a future editor find WP:V sources to restore the article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:50, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the church is (or was) a branch of the Presbyterian Church in Korea (HapDong), I believe we should redirect it to that page instead. The Presbyterianism in South Korea article has too big of a scope to provide anything useful for users who want information specifically on that page. -- 00101984hjw (talk) 00:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not mentioned there, but it is mentioned at Presbyterianism in South Korea. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:11, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ignore what I said previously, I suggest we redirect to Presbyterian Church of Korea instead.

This is because the Presbyterianism in South Korea article is about the history of Presbyterianism in Korea in general, while the church above is one of many churches which have branched from and currently share the name of the Presbyterian Church of Korea. In fact, I'm considering moving the entire list of PCK branches cited on the Presbyterianism in South Korea page there. -- 00101984hjw (talk) 21:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Altadena Community Church

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As was the case with St. Mark's Episcopal Church, this is a local church with no notability outside of its association with a single event; as such, I don't believe that the reporting on this church's destruction will be enough to support an article in the long term. Sources 3–13, 15, 16, and 18 are purely local articles of WP:ROTM events at the church that provide no notability at all. If the argument were to be made that these sources provide WP:SIGCOV, then nearly every church in the US may as well be notable. Source 1 is an NYT article that mentions the church. Source 2 is an article from a religious organization that reports exclusively on matters that concern its churches and as such cannot be considered an independent source. Source 14 is an LA Times article about the congregations resilience, 17 is a Time article which is basically the same thing, 19 is a Deseret article reporting that the church burned down, while 20 and 21 are similar. The community can decide if these sources are enough to provide long-term notability. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 23:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Eaton Fire#Stuctures destroyed: While I think the coverage in the New York Times and LA Times represents sufficient WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources, I also think the WP:NOPAGE test of WP:GNG is not met since this is clearly a WP:1E situation. As a result, I recommend redirecting to the list of structures destroyed by the Eaton fire. This will preserve the page history should additional SIGCOV unrelated to the fire emerge for a GNG pass as a standalone page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The church has news articles available long before the fire destroyed it, and the church is not simply mentioned in passing in those articles. Z. Patterson (talk) 04:26, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Every one of those are entirely local WP:ROTM sources about community events. As I stated in the nomination I don’t believe these provide notability as every single church in the US probably has similar newspaper histories. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AllTheUsernamesAreInUse: I see now. In that case, redirect to Eaton Fire#Structures destroyed, and possibly discuss the church there. Z. Patterson (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Z. Patterson:

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Workgroups	Anabaptist Baptist Christianity in China Core topics Evangelical Christianity Holiness movement Jesus Methodism Syriac Christianity Theology
Subprojects	Anglicanism Arminianism Bible Biblical criticism Catholicism Canon law Charismatic Christianity Christian films Christian music Southern Gospel Christianity in India Eastern Orthodoxy Holidays Christmas Halloween Jehovah's Witnesses Jewish Christianity Latter Day Saint movement Lutheranism Oriental Orthodoxy Reformed Christianity Religious Society of Friends-Quakers Religious texts Saints Seventh-day Adventist Church Unitarianism and Universalism

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Christianity

I Am Living Proof

KOER-LP

Mal Fletcher

Unida Christian Colleges

Biola Media Conference

God the Sustainer

Anglican Adam Preaching Society

David Peter Halliwell

KRQZ

Next papal conclave

Presbyterian Church in Korea (BokUm)

Altadena Community Church

Christianity Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

Categories for discussion

Miscellaneous

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