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The result of the discussion was retarget to Counter-Strike (video game). (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• De dust → Counter-Strike  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

not mentioned at target -1ctinus📝🗨 23:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Counter-Strike (video game), where it is mentioned and briefly discussed (with an image, even). I know sometimes, in discourse, the map is used as a stand-in for the entire game, possibly entire series, and so pointing the the series makes sense, but the article on the game where it first appeared gives the searcher the most information, so that's where we should point. Fieari (talk) 04:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Counter-Strike (video game) per Fieari --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Mesoclisis → Clitic#Mesoclitic  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Defined here. GustaPapp (talk) 21:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Section was removed in 2023 here: [1], with the comment "a clitic cannot occur between a stem and an affix". Clearly a mesoclitic is a well-defined term, and should be discussed in this article. I don't know enough about it to personally restore the deleted section exactly as it was, but surely we need something here! Fieari (talk) 05:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Strong Keep - I have restored the section and expanded it, with citations. The removal was unjustified, mesoclitics do in fact exist, and mesoclisis is how they are referred to in the citations I found. Fieari (talk) 23:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep assuming the nomination was about no content at the target, which we now have. Jay 💬 12:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 17:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Living Marxism (US) → International Council Correspondence  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not mentioned in target, failed to verify the relationship with the target. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The target article includes In 1938, it changed its name to Living Marxism and includes a source that verifies this. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 18:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I found a better source that confirms the claim mentioned by Thryduulf and added it to the article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Blowdown. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Blowing down → Blowing up  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

No mention at target; only content on this inverse operation that I could find on the English Wikipedia is at Castelnuovo's contraction theorem. The page itself was previously merged, though there wasn't a lot of content to being with either. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the article to mention blowing down as the inverse operation. I think that the redirect is reasonable, in that people might search for "blowing down". And the text now obeys WP:Redirect, I think. Mgnbar (talk) 12:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the search term is very plausible. Ideally, we would have a little more extensive information on this at the article, but thanks for adding that sentence at least. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this point to a demolition topic? Blowing down buildings or bridges, etc. Or windstorm which meteorologically blow down things, as wind does -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that blowing up also isn't a redirect to explosion and the disambiguation page is located at blow up. I might be biased but I feel like someone looking for this gerund is likely to be interested in the mathematical topic. A blow down disambiguation exists as well, though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The average Wikipedia reader has never heard of the mathematical concept of blowing up and down, and has no reason to search for it. (And I say that as a mathematician.) So it seems reasonable to redirect "blowing up" and its variants to something like Explosion. However, I have never heard "blowing down" or its variants used in connection with explosions or implosions, so that redirect would make less sense to me. By the way, there is a Digable Planets song named "Blowing Down". Mgnbar (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I think "blowing up" is also wrong, since it should be a photography topic, as the primary topic. But, yes, there is also explosion. These mathematical topics will always be more obscure than the general uses found in public. And these mathematical topics are more obscure than the conventional highschool maths version of blowing up by a function tending to infinity in value; or "blowing up" by having singularities, as discussed in highschool physics. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 13:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the blow up disambig should definitely mention something like pole (complex analysis) or finite-time singularity (like the "explosion" explained at Ordinary differential equation#Global uniqueness and maximum domain of solution). Not sure again whether the ambiguity is present for the gerund in the same way, but that should probably be discussed at an WP:RM for the blowing up article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to the blow down disambiguation page. It's just a different grammatical conjugation of the same thing. If additional entries need to be added to the DAB, feel free to do so. Fieari (talk) 04:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Added Castelnuovo's contraction theorem and the Digable Planets song to the dab. Jay 💬 13:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Blow down DAB per Fieari. Worth noting that this had some prose [2], and it was "merged" by an IP editor who seems to have simply BLARed the article without adding to the target page. Might be worth looking into, and Mgnbar might want to include the one-sentence definition and two sources in the math article. Toadspike [Talk] 15:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per above. I just added a blurb to that DAB for Blowing up, so it's ready. Mgnbar (talk) 16:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Update: I merged Mgnbar's Blowing up entry to my Castelnuovo entry. Mgnbar has then removed the Castelnuovo entry, and made it the Blowing up entry. Jay 💬 18:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 08:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Tabia, Sid Bel Abbés → Tabia, Sidi Bel Abbès  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

this lemma must not be redirect, because the lemma is completely wrong spelt and not used with this spelling. And please correct the other Sid Bel Abbés lemmas in Category:Communes of Sidi Bel Abbès Province. Thank you, – Doc Taxon • Talk • 10:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note I've fixed the nomination and tagged the redirect which was not done by the nominator. Thryduulf (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment this is a {{R from move}}, the article was at this title from December 2023 to August 2024. Thryduulf (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep due to the recency of the move. Using the incorrect accent also does not seem like an entirely implausible spelling error here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 01:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Presidentman: It's not only the accent but Sid ≠ Sidi. Using the incorrect accent indeed is a spelling error and with that plausible too. – Doc Taxon • Talk • 15:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The point that it is a recent move still stands. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Presidentman, and since the article was located at this title for eight months. Should be tagged as {{R from misspelling}}. Similar to Tabya, Sid Bel Abbés, which was the target's title for thirteen years. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Presidentman and CycloneYoris. It was at that title for a while, we don't want to break any external links to it. I also don't see this misspelling as entirely implausible and have added the R from misspelling template to it. Toadspike [Talk] 15:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Heavenly Bodies, which is the new title of the DAB mentioned by the nom. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The Heavenly Bodies → Heavenly Bodies (1990s tag team)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

No primary topic. Retarget to Heavenly Bodies (disambiguation). 162 etc. (talk) 15:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to the dab per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 20:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 05:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Martha Atwater → WordWorld  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

This is a TV writer and producer who worked on this show along with others (e.g., Horrible Histories, Arthur, Clifford the Big Red Dog), and was killed in a hit-and-run accident in 2013 as a Google search can attest. She may have won an Emmy award for her writing on WorldWorld in 2009, but I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to redirect her name to that show (don't get me wrong, it was part of my and my sister's childhood, but I'm not sure Atwater's work on it would warrant a redirect to that specific page), since it might mislead readers looking for information on her, especially since she isn't mentioned on the target article unlike those of or relating to the other three shows I mentioned. I'm thinking we should delete this redirect to encourage article creation if plausible, but I'm open to being swayed otherwise. Regards, SONIC678 04:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat. ✗plicit 05:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Pentinat → Josep-Lluís Carod-Rovira  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

I (creator) honestly don’t have a clue what this redirect is supposed to mean. Roasted (talk) 04:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy delete per WP:G7. A7V2 (talk) 05:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternatively, potentially Roastedbeanz1 you meant to target this to Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat? A7V2 (talk) 05:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    You’re right Roasted (talk) 05:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • In that case I'd say retarget there unless there's an ambiguity issue. A7V2 (talk) 05:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per A7V2. The only uses of this word the search engine finds are in relation to Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat and image description pages written in presumably Catalan, in which language the word means "hairstyle" according to Wiktionary. Hairstyle has no particular affinity to Catalan, so in English this is presently unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 09:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat per above. Would r from surname be the right tag for this? --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 05:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Over by over → Liveblogging  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Suggest deletion unless a sourced use can be added to target or elsewhere enwiki Mdewman6 (talk) 00:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for no good target. Every hit is related to cricket (directly or by metaphor) not blogging (although google does reveal some live blogging of cricket) but none of them would make a good target for this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Guardian live blogs of cricket are all called 'over by over' [3]. So are those from Sky Sports, and formerly The Times. While that might not be sufficiently notable to justify a standalone article, or an statement in liveblogging, it's still sufficiently common to justify a redirect. There are dozens of sports articles per yet that use this name. I'm open to better targets if one exists, but a redirect of some kind should definitely be retained. Modest Genius ^talk 04:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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i can't believe the day would come where i would say this, but delete per thryduulf. it seems to be a basic term used for whatever, but not used enough in any area to warrant keeping anywhere cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Thryduulf. Fieari (talk) 01:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 05:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Disinformation report → User:Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist/sandbox/Draft:Disinformation report  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

I understand that this is a redirect left over from a page move, but I think that the intent may have been to not perpetually leave this as a redirect. This is a borderline G6, but I wanted to raise it here in case I've misunderstood the cause for the move. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - the redirect is linked from other talk pages, including archives, so should be kept or otherwise the navigation is lost. Raladic (talk) 02:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - the links were cleaned up by @JPxG, no concerns left. Raladic (talk) 01:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy delete (as creator) - AFAIK this should be kept empty in between Signpost issues and isn't supposed to have a redirect[4] - didn't realize the redirect was created, sorry about that. Thanks @Red-tailed hawk for spotting it! Also thank you @Raladic for the thought, but the page is impermanent by design and navigations still possible through log linked earlier. Best,

Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless Raladic withdraws their keep !vote (and nobody else recommends keeping) this is not eligible for speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m fine to pull my vote, but think all the current Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Disinformation report links should be fixed then to point to the moved page or else someone following a link will just be lost since the log history will be gone afaik after the redirect would be deleted, so a user following the link won’t know where the page went, but I could be wrong on that?

But given that someone else now below had the same concern, it probably would also hinge on the same. Raladic (talk) 04:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I struck my vote as a result of JPxG's cleanup of all references and support deletion now. Raladic (talk) 01:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep unless someone feels like manually pointing all the existing archived links to the correct destination. If so, sure, go ahead and delete it, but I absolutely despise linkrot... quite frankly, I don't think the effort is worth it. Leaving this redirect doesn't hurt or interfere with things, and fixing all the links to it is probably not worth the time, easy busywork though it may be. Fieari (talk) 04:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The alternative is that the next draft overwrites that redirect, then gets moved at some point into the proper signpost archive page, and we lose the redirect anyway. JPxG could probably explain that process better than I could. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 23:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Delete, or Speedy is okay, now that that the link rot issue is taken care of. I have been corrected that leaving it be would have been harmless and not worth the work, thank you for the education. Fieari (talk) 23:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete. This should be a routine deletion; I am not clear on why there is an issue with clearing out the temporary holding area for pending articles.

@Raladic and Fieari: I have gone ahead and retargeted all the incoming links -- normally there wouldn't be any apart from a couple incidental mentions on talk pages (which I fixed), since this is an unintentional redirect not intended to be an article -- but there is, because all of the templates and database reports that compose the next-issue mockup are now transcluding this mockup page due to it being at the title it's at. Regardless, I fixed those too, so if anyone is concerned about link rot, please see the WLH.

The /Next issue/ subpage space is a preparation area for articles that are to be published either in the current issue, or the one or two after that -- it is emphatically not meant for permalinks. That's why it is titled "next issue". There is a separate page space, called "drafts", for longer-term storage of drafts. There should never be permanent content in the "next issue" subpage. There has never, to my knowledge, at any point in the last twenty years, been any circumstance whatsoever in which a redirect has needed to be preserved permanently in the "next issue" subpage. Twenty years worth of scripts and templates are written around the assumption that the /next issue/ pagename space contains the articles for the next issue.

Here is one example: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue, the layout page we use to set up the next issue, transcludes from Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Next issue, which is automatically filled from the following WP:DBR:

{{Database report
:|sql = SELECT page_title FROM page WHERE page_namespace = 4 AND page_title LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/%" AND page_title NOT LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/"
:|row_template    = Signpost/snippet/autofill/parse
:|header_template = subst:Template:This template deliberately left blank
:|skip_table      = True
:|footer_template = Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Next issue footer
:|interval        = 1
:}}
:

Again, there is not a specific list of pages in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/% to exempt from this SQL statement other than the root page; having one random redirect in that location would require someone, and by someone I mean me, to manually hardcode this specific page title into not just this SQL, but also every single template and query that automatically prepares a list of articles for the next issue, as well as coordinate the list of edge-case redirects among all of these locations.

I have been getting increasingly burned out on maintaining or fixing Signpost stuff lately, because it feels like the reward for long days of tedious mind-numbing work is often "people create large amounts of additional tedious mind-numbing work on the basis that it must not be that big of a deal".

The amount of development that would need to be done to refactor every script and program in the Signpost's publishing process to work around the presence of a single random non-publishable redirect existing in the temporary holding area specifically set aside for preparing the next issue would easily constitute dozens of hours -- again, this is decades-old legacy code, and a lot of it isn't documented very well, and most modifications require extensive testing to make sure unexpected problems do not arise. Even after this, it will cause a permanent increase in the complexity, maintenance effort, and execution time of the publishing scripts (e.g. every script that fetches a list of pages now has to retrieve one more than it needs, and discard it, every time it's run, for eternity).

jp×g🗯️ 06:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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