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The result of the discussion was Keep (non-admin closure) - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 04:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Yamazaki, Hyogo → Yamasaki, Hyōgo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(euot).It's not in Hyogo, it's in Hyōgo. The "Hyōgo" is essentially a disambiuation, and I argue and continue to argue, that flattenin the diacritics on disambiguation parts of a title. Si Trew (talk) 23:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. We cannot expect users of the English Wikipedia to know where macrons go on Japanese words. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:44, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, under kinda the "Neelix rules" I would say that if someone calls keep, it's a keep and I withdraw. But we haven't established those kind of rules, quite yet, for these Eubot ones: If this helps to do so, all to the good. Si Trew (talk) 11:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:DIACRITICS and Patar knight. A useful rule: If the redirect is identical to the target except for the absence of all diacritics then don't bother to even nominate it as it will be kept as a useful redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep without wanting to establish any "rules", this one in particular is a definite keep. Yamazaki is the standard reading for 山崎 (you may have heard of the Suntory whiskey). This town's name, Yamasaki, is a far less common way of reading it. So Yamazaki is going to be a common search term for that town's name. As for the diactrics, the Hyogo Prefectural government does not use them, so I do not think we should either. This is the wrong place to have such a discussion though. But it does mean the combination of the rare reading of the town's name and the common spelling of the prefecture's name will be a useful redirect.

SimonTrew, you may be interested to know that I was once told that the first point of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#Article titles means all combinations of diactrics/non-diactrics must be created as redirects. According to those rules, the simple name Shuji Yamada should have 11 redirects to cover all possible transliteration styles. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:49, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Kotijaeaeteloe → Hjem-IS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) All I get from searches is "how to say" sites. This is perhaps because this is Finnish and back-formed assuming that it is a Germanic umlaut when it isn't, but a letter in the Finnish alphabet, as in Kotijäätelö. D2, D5, D8, complete tripe. Couldn;t find any sources at all for this one. Si Trew (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Can't find any sources either, no other place to target to. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Saint-Leonard--Anjou → Saint-Léonard—Anjou  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot) You say em dash and I say double hyphen.. this is a ridiculous way to make a redirect from a redirect, WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:DIACRITICS, which states: "Place redirects at alternative titles, such as those with or without diacritics. Add {{R to diacritics}} or {{R from diacritics}} below the redirect to properly categorize it, e.g. for print editions." I think it's entirely plausible that readers may enter a double em dash when searching for this article. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That has nothing to do with substituting two hyphens for an em dash. It's irrelevant. You can substitute two hyphens, obviously, in print if you are short of em or en dashes in your font (I seem to recall the Daily Express used to do it a lot in the days of hot lead type) but here in the golden age of the Interweb it makes no sense for a bot: not a human, having considered anything, a bot, programmed by rules that seem 10% nonsensical, to say that "one em dash equals two hyphens". The boot, I think, must go on the other foot, because I cannot find any sources that use Saint-Leonard--Anjou with two hyphens in his double-barrelled; all you have done is that now it is shift the duty to prove that there isn't; I can't, because I can't prove a negative. Si Trew (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While it's true that the double-hyphened version is never necessary for actual direct linking within other articles, it is sometimes necessary from the search bar perspective — a person might not know the alt-code necessary to actually type an em-dash, and therefore would have no way to locate Saint-Leonard—Anjou through a manual search. (Just as another example, the "insert special characters" box that's at the bottom of a normal edit window is not present in Twinkle — so if I have occasion to refer to Saint-Léonard—Anjou in an AFD discussion, e.g. about a hoax politician who was claimed to have represented it in the federal House of Commons 30 years before it even existed, the only other way to make an em-dash happen inside that module involves opening a second document window just to cut and paste the damn em-dash from somewhere else — so for ease of use, I have to be able to double-hyphen it instead, because the other alternative is just a big fat hell to the no.) And furthermore, in many cases "Exact Same Name With Hyphens or En-Dashes Instead of Em-Dashes" also exists as the name of a provincial electoral district — meaning that a person who's limited to hyphen-typing needs a way to distinguish which title they're going to end up at.

And secondly, as I've noted before and Patar Knight points out, in the old days of manual typesetting even the official sources printed the names with double hyphens in documents where an em-dash couldn't be produced — it's obviously not common today given that nearly all people get their information from sources that were electronically rather than manually typeset, but it used to be the case that electoral district names were almost always seen by the public in double-hyphened form, and almost never in the em-dashed form. So a user who encounters the name from one of those old sources, but isn't cognizant of the real naming conventions, is going to think that double-hyphen is the correct form. (That's what people did think before electronic typesetting actually became the norm — when the rise of Adobe PageMaker meant that we were actually starting to see the em-dashes in regular print documents, people actually thought it was an error at first.)

For these exact reasons, WP:CWNB has always had a consensus that federal electoral districts with em-dashes in their names did have to have redirects in place from the double-hyphened title — so this isn't Eubot making shit up, it's Eubot doing what a human consensus demanded for real reasons. Bearcat (talk) 13:19, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per NCFF above. Useful, even if created by a bot. I think Bearcat mentioned that federal electoral districts used to be printed this way in official sources as well? ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Bearcat. Thryduulf (talk) 14:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Bearcat's rationale. – Uanfala (talk) 01:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• The health bill → Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Health bill is a redirect to health care bill, but I don't see the need for a search with "the" in front of it being super plausible, nevertheless, the current target is not helpful due to the aforementioned disambiguation being present. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. There are other notable health bills. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Notecardforfree and nominator. WP:THE strongly discourages titles starting with "The" in most cases, but it having a redirect from the title with a preceding definite article is appropriate for many (but not all) of those titled without. This is an example of one where a redirect from the "The" title is not useful. Thryduulf (talk) 01:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to health bill This redirect has traffic, 7 page views in a month period. Redirects are cheap, so we should keep it; however, the health bill is ambiguous so should be re-targeted to health bill. Tideflat (talk) 03:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to the dab page. Believe it or not, America is not the world — there are almost 200 countries where governments can and do pass health bills, and many of those countries also have states or provinces which can also pass their own subfederal health bills, so Obamacare is in no sense whatsoever "the" health bill. Bearcat (talk) 13:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to DAB per Bearcat. DAB page needs expansion, but it's better than deletion. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 16:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete there's no single bill noted as "The Health Bill". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:THE and as there are multiple health bills. --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 12:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ecole J. H. Picard School → École J. H. Picard School  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) another one of these that I wonder about with Canadian bilingualism. The whole damned point is that "École" is in French at the front, and Engiish "school" at the back. There is no point then wiping off the diacritic to franglicise it. Delete. Si Trew (talk) 21:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Declaration of interest. I was the partner of French Canadian for seven years. She spoke English but most of her family spoke French; they moved from a French-speaking part of Ontario to an English-speaking part just as she started school. I was OK, I spoke both (but only French French and English English, not the kinda stuff User:Ivanvector probably sazs). Si Trew (talk) 21:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:DIACRITICS, which states: "Place redirects at alternative titles, such as those with or without diacritics. Add {{R to diacritics}} or {{R from diacritics}} below the redirect to properly categorize it, e.g. for print editions." -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Straightforward application of WP:DIACRITICS. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The delete is a straightforward application of common sense; if a school is named bilingually, there's not much point removing that bilingualism. Si Trew (talk) 11:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per everyone above. Just because a school is bilingual does not mean that everybody who wants to know about it is all of bilingual, accessing Wikipedia (or a mirror) in an environment that makes input of diacritics reasonably easy, knows how to enter diacritics on their current device and knows which diacritic needs to be placed on which letter. Thryduulf (talk) 11:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. For one thing, not everybody knows how to type accented letters — so Wikipedia has always had a consensus to maintain redirects from the unaccented forms when a title has an accented letter in it. For another, capitalized letters used to not be printed with accents on them, because it was technologically impossible to do so given the space constraints of manual typesetting — so even though that constraint no longer exists in the electronic typesetting age, there actually remains a widespread misconception that capitalized letters are not supposed to be accented in French even though in reality they are. So some people who do know how to type accented letters do still think they're not supposed to accent a capitalized letter and thus would link this as "Ecole" instead of "École". Bearcat (talk) 14:03, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Encyclopedie ou dictionnaire raisonne des sciences, des arts et des metiers → Encyclopédie  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot). Oh for -s sake this is obviously not a likely search term. Just - delete it. It is patently fucking useless and created from another with diacritics which the search engine will find, without this sesquipedelian redirect, fucking nonsense and get rid of it as preventative maintence. WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Created from Encyclopédie ou dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, as if that would make any sense in the English Wikipedia. Perhaps I have this odd idea that the redirects are actally the primary index to the Wikipedia, and not just some search term. I didn't realise it was some kind of competition between search terms and redirects, I didn't realise one had to beat the other, I didn't think it was a competition to have so many redirects that the search engine became redundant, and when User:Deryck Chan suggests at WT:RFD that perhaps we are cultivating the garden for Wikimedia, sure, but it's not a competition folks, it's not "I've got more redirects than you". I am sure that if someone was loookng for "Encyclopédie ou dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers" the would find it without the aid of this redirect, diacritics or no. This is just perpetual maintenance until it is deleted, so it might as well be deleted now. WP:COSTLY, essentially. Si Trew (talk) 21:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For if not, what does the target mean? It means "encyclopaedia", or "encyclopedia" or "encyclopaedia", as you prefer. Why is that stuck there and not at, say, Encyclopaedia? Becuase it's French and notable. Right, then there's no point taking all the French accent out to make a codswallop out of it is there. I might as well say Retarget to Encyclopaedia, because that is what "Encyclopedié" means in French, and this is the English Wikipedia, so blatantly this must mean "Encyclopaedia" in English. Do you get my drift? Do you see that bashing the diacritics off of a word or dong a cod transliteration does not help search but make it harder? Do you see that now? Si Trew (talk) 21:31, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as valid {{R to diacritics}} of the full title of the target article in the original language. Target page is unlikely to be moved, so not costly. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Right, User:Patar knight, how you gonna cat it? {{R from title without diacritics}} it already has, but {{R from other language|fr|en}}? You always say keep. You used to say keep because it was a plausible search term, but I have got you out of that habit, because patently it is not a plausible search term (have you checked how many hits it has had? Have you checked how many uses there are of this exact term in verifiable sources? If you have, can you please bring them here to let us see them?) No, that keep is just "WP:ILIKEIT". I note that at the top if the nomination, I give a reason for deletion, [{WP:RFD#D5]] nonsense. I note in the "Keep", User:Patar knight gives no reason to keep. Well, I get told off if I don't quote policy. Which is yours, @Patar knight:, cos you haven't actually told me. I've given a reason to delete, you've given a waffly answer about "no reason" without stating any policy against that. No reason to keep. You can help me out at the various lists at User:Champion/Eubot_list_1 through User:Champion/Eubot_list_18 if you want. As it is, just me and Champ are going through them. Si Trew (talk) 22:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Any redirect that anyone !votes "keep" on is usually implied to be a plausible search term, and it's not difficult to build a case for this one. Someone who is given the full French name of the Encylopédie, but does not know that the common short form and that the title of our article on it is at Encyclopédie, would be helped by this redirect. It would meet RKEEP #2, 3, and 5. In principle. the original foreign language names should have redirects both with and without diacritics, because we cannot expect users of the English Wikipedia to be experts on the use of diacritics in foreign languages. You may be very familiar with the rules on diacritics in various languages, but most of our users are not. I have no interest in going though the Eubot lists, because IMHO they're almost entirely harmless. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, about ten perent of the Eubot lists are positively harmful, and I am prepared to find that ten perent and list them here, for others to tell me that it's not worth bothering to do so. I am not one generally for giving advice, but I would say as a general rule, don't tell a man while he is doing a job that it is not a job worth doing, otherwise, you will tend to piss him off. That is just a certain amount of pride in a job, and if you look like a fool for not taking a pride in a job, then you can feel happy in that, but I do, and I will get this job done. Si Trew (talk) 22:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The worst of the Eubot redirects are poor transliterations that have actual articles which would be better targets (e.g. If Noel redirected to a hypothetical city called Nöl instead of a DAB), and then after those, nonsense transliterations with no use in any sources. If you can find those, that would be terrific, and would improve the project. Bringing redirects like this one above, which is simply a translated title minus diacritics and literally does no harm, detracts from finding those worst Eubot redirects. You've taken several of redirects like this without proper diacritics to RfD, and IIRC lost the debate almost every time. If you don't like WP:DIACRITICS, start an RfC and try to change it, fighting losing battles at RfD over it takes time that all of us could be using on other things. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep - This is what someone with a standard qwerty keyboard would type if they just copied the title from the work's title page, no? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. If I were looking for this publication by typing its name into the search bar, I would most certainly not immediately assume that the one-word Encyclopédie was actually the location of what I was looking for; I would assume that somebody had created a foreign-language redirect to the generic class noun encyclopedia, and keep typing "ou dictionnaire raisonné..." for greater specificity. Which just brings this right back to "not everybody knows how to type accented letters, and therefore we have an established consensus to keep redirects from the unaccented forms". Bearcat (talk) 14:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Xuberoa → Soule  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

(eubot). Not at target; created from Xüberoa. That one's stupid too, because the WP:FIRSTENTENCE says "(Basque: Zuberoa; Zuberoan Basque: Xiberoa or Xiberua; Gascon: Sola". No mention of "Xuberoa" in that lot. Don't start making stupid language redirects without a bit of WP:V, and don't start back forming {{R without diacritics}} to titles that don't have diacritics. 'Delete as fucking nonsense. Er, I mean, delete as entirely reasonable good-faith bot-created approved and discussed nonsense. (Except for the good faith, reasonable, approved, and discussed.) I checked, this is actually a Latin X and not a Greek X. Si Trew (talk) 20:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 20:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm gonna scrub out my scrubbing out of "good faith" and say so. The author of Eubot, like Neelix, wasn't out to piss me off, he created in good faith these redirects eight years ago in the way that it was seen at the time. The bot's author made a mistake, which was, as far as I can tell, not to get it approved, before he ran it, or rather if he had asked for suggestions he may not have had it make stupid redirects from reasonable redirects. I'm allowed to be pissed off at the bot, because it is just a bot, it doesn't have feelings. It is better than taking it out on a real person, acting in good faith. Si Trew (talk) 20:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Valid {{r to diacritics}}. [1], [2], [3]. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:01, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Patar knight: please show me where are the diacritics on "Xuberoa" or "Soule" before I show you the conversation where I argued (with success) to loosen the statement that it says at R from diacritics from an "exact match" to "essentially the same title". This is not by any stretch of the imagination essentially the same title, neither the redirect nor the target has diacritics. If you want to campaign for a subcategory {{R from title without diacritics to title without diacritics}}, be my guest, but I'll be arguing {{R from tile from other language without diacritics}} before you get there. Because I have seen how these are mangled, by running through Neelix and Eubot lists, and doing some work, something that only hoi polloi deign to do, it seems. I am not worthy. Si Trew (talk) 22:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Those sources show that even reliable sources do not use the diacritics when referring to this location as Xuberoa. It doesn't matter if the article title that the page is at doesn't have diacritics, as long as a valid alternative name redirecting to that page does have diacritics, redirects without diacritics are valid (e.g. if a Chinese celebrity is known as Hadrian Chen in English, there's no reason to disallow redirects using pinyin without the tone diacritics simply because the page title doesn't have diacritics). Using your reasoning, if I type [[Xuberoa]] instead of [[Xüberoa]] in the source, editor, I should get a redlink because I don't know the proper diacritic use of this location's name, even when reliable sources don't use that diacritic? I would like to see this conversation, because this line of thinking is pedantic, unhelpful, and actively harmful to the project because that would encourage the creation of duplicate articles. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:57, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Patar knight, especially their most recent comment. Thryduulf (talk) 12:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 09:27, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• F.I.F.A.: World Cup no Michi '98 → FIFA (video game series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• FIFA: World Cup no Michi '98 → FIFA (video game series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. If kept, the appropriate target would be FIFA: Road to World Cup 98. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sheesh User:Tavix we very nearly had an edit conflict, it missed, but all these greek things, maybe it was the gods or the previous nomination, floated before me eyes then disappeared. Si Trew (talk) 19:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's all Greek to me... -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I never got used to any new-fangled editing tools, I just use the simple HTML editor and stuff, and do everything longhand. Anything else is all geek to me. Si Trew (talk) 20:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:35, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Roupakion → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Eubot)
• Roupakio, Greece → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Eubot)

• Roupákion → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Pumpie)
• Roupákio, Greece → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Pumpie)
• Roupákion, Greece → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Pumpie)
• Roupáki, Greece → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Pumpie)
• Roupáki → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Pumpie)
• Roupákio → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Pumpie)
• Roupakion, Greece → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Pumpie)
• Roupaki, Greece → Roupaki  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Eubot)

• M'ssieurs et mesdames, faites vos jeux. WP:RFD#D8, Delete all, novel or obscure synonym. M. Pumpie has created, in another editor's words, "Every conceiveable redirect to a Greek place", but that editor was wrong —: M. Eubot has raised the stakes, by creating needless {{R from title without diacritics}} to those places, M'sieurs et dames. J vous pris, le tout d' rien, all or nothing? Delete all. 19:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I shall raise the odds by withdrawing a bet. Roupaki, Greece by Eubot out of Pumpie is actually sensible as an {{R from name and country}}. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen, place your bets. Si Trew (talk) 20:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete all. None of these redirects got traffic during the year that I am confident is human (most got 4 hits on 29 Feb, 14 March, 1 July and 31 Oct the same dates as many completely unrelated redirects seen here recently so not unlikely a bot with a useragent that got misclassified somehow). Thryduulf (talk) 12:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:28, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Herr Tartueff → Tartuffe (film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot) Nope, this is too far. I should like to remind the cultured among you that the play is called Tartuffe, in French, and the German film for the riff-raffthose less fortunate has as its main character Herr Tartüff. To take the name of a German film, mark it as {{R from diacritics}} for a target that has no diacritics to start with, and then bugger up the spelling, is WP:RFD#D5 nonsense: since clearly it is spelled "Tartuff" because in the original French it is Tartuffe, the Germans might have dropped an E at the end but it doesn't mean the English should then pick it up and run with it to stick it back in the middle, it's not a game of rugby union. There are already five other redirects that will happily send readers to where they might want to go; it's rather WP:XY as it stands, as well as being just bollox. Si Trew (talk) 18:18, 26 December 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 18:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd tagged Herr Tartüff as {{R from character}} and {{R from other language|de|en}} before I wrote this. I've no trouble with that one. Si Trew (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Valid {{r without diacritics}} since ü => ue in German. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 08:07, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Valid as the original of the film has diacritics in it. Agathoclea (talk) 09:53, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep both for now without prejudice against creation of disambiguation page. Deryck C. 09:25, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Al-Harizi → Yehuda Alharizi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Eubot)
• Al-Ḥarizi → Yehuda Alharizi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot). Not sure. The lede says in the first sentence "Harizi or Al-Harizi". Not ("Ḥarizi"). But he certainly was never called just "Al-Harizi", the "or" there is to say his surname was either "Al-Harizi" or simply "Harizi" ("Al" being the Arabic for "The", roughly, but I suppose analagous to "Mac" or "O'" or "dottir" and things like that). This perhaps is a keep as {{R from surname}} or {{R from other name}}, but short experience leads me to think I shall be adding others to this nom; this is tagged as {{R from title without diacritics}} from a redirect that doesn't have any to a target that doesn't have any, making it WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, but there will be something in the middle. Si Trew (talk) 17:50, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We also have a player for the New York Mets and lots of Hispanic Jews (Sephardic Jews?) called Al-Harizi, some of whom have articles on Wikipedia. I haven't got to the bottom of this yet, but it might be better to make it a name article. Si Trew (talk) 18:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• 'Create DAB per whatever SimonTrew finds. This seems too generic to have it point there. If that is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, then hatnote to new DAB page. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 08:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Create DAB per Patar knight and retarget/hatnote as appropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Si Trew, which other articles have you found? Of the 56 that come up in a search for "Alharizi" or "Al-harizi", I see 54 referring to Yehuda Alharizi. The remaining two are unmentionworthy: a street in Rehavia and the name of a gallery where Mosh Kashi has had an exhibition. Unless anything comes up, it's keep both. Ḥ is the ISO 259 transliteration of the h in his name. – Uanfala (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Johannes Kohnke → Heinrich Seidel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Johannes Koehnke → Heinrich Seidel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot). What has Johannes Kohnke to do with Heinrich Siedel?, you may ask. I asked the same. Acording to the article, wot I just red, Johannes Köhnke was a pseudonym of Herr S., and I shall mark as {{R from pseudonym}} for that very purpose. But we don't need this to enable me, or anyone more sane than me, to wonder why for the life of them they have got there. Johannes Koehnke wasn't his pseudonym. We can't expect readers to reform what Eubot has back-formed. What am I to do, tag as {{R from pseudonym without diacritics}}? It's WP:RFD#D5 nonsense; WP:RFD#D2, not at target: A pseudonym by definition is "false name" for someone; there's no point creating a false false name for them. Si Trew (talk) 17:31, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep both per facts in nom; valid {{R from pseudonym}} and {{r without diacritics}}. No English user should be expected to know where diacritics go in foreign words. AFAIK the objection to many of Eubot's redirects with the umlaut is that while ö => oe is common German, it's not in other languages. This is clearly German, so there's no good reason to delete this. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep both per Patar knight. ö → oe in German contexts and ö → o in almost all contexts should be kept, even if it was created from another redirect (unless you are nominating the redirect with ö in too). Thryduulf (talk) 12:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:47, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• FIFA 06, FIFA 07, FIFA 08 and FIFA 09 → FIFA (video game series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

There's nothing special about these four titles in particular (eg: a box set of these four titles), so there's no reason for someone to search for these four titles at once. Was created as an article in 2009 basically stating "these are the four latest games". -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:14, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, seems rather WP:XYZaa. Si Trew (talk) 17:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• (Totally off-topic comment) Why is it called a "box set"? Usually these days it doesn't even come in a box, but even if it did, why would it not be a "boxed set"? (I know, the lede has both I checked. But usually these days it is always, written, "box set". Spoken it's understandable, I drop all my haitches and swallow all my T's, but... Grrr.) Si Trew (talk) 17:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Agreed it isn't a collection. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 01:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget all too Stockholm–Roslagens Järnvägar. Deryck C. 09:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Stockholm-Roslagens Järnvägar → Upsala-Lenna Jernväg  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Stockholm-Roslagens Jaernvaegar → Upsala-Lenna Jernväg  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (eubot)
• Stockholm-Roslagens Jarnvagar → Upsala-Lenna Jernväg  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (eubot)

Delete all. WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target. This target has 14 redirects, it can manage without them. None is tagged as {{ R from siamese triplets }}.. Si Trew (talk) 16:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget all to Stockholm–Roslagens Järnvägar, which is its own article, and is mentioned in the previous target as being related. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget the first and the third per Patar knight, weakly do the the same for the middle one as ae transliterations for Swedish ä seem to have been kept so far. – Uanfala (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget all per Patar knight. No explanation needed. George Ho (talk) 06:57, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 12:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Doeme Sztojay → Döme Sztójay  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot) Not Germanic umlaut, old Hungarian. Si Trew (talk) 16:51, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Looks like this was a spelling that was used. [4], [5] If I had to hazard a guess, I would say that many people would get rid of umlauted vowels in non-German languages by adding an "e" even if it wasn't German was long as the end result is coherent. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 08:11, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I found the name as Doeme Sztojay and searched Wikipedia with that spelling. My understanding is that redirects need not be "correct"; they need only represent likely search terms that will take the user to the desired page, where the article will provide information about best and acceptable orthography. Cynwolfe (talk) 01:42, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 01:31, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• George Michæl → George Michael  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Delete per WP:RFD#D8? He didn't sign his name with the "æ". --Nevé–selbert 16:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. His name is written this way on some album covers, see File:Symphonica.jpg (the cover of his Symphonica album) for example. This got 30 hits this year so people do use it. Thryduulf (talk) 16:18, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• (edit conflict) Keep per Thryduulf. Created in 2007, but it's not the redirect that has to be novel by D8, it's the title that has to be novel (and that means, roughly, is it used in verifiable sources? Not necessarily reliable, but verifiable?) However, searches I get are from Youtube where it is so written "officially" on some song releases as "GEORGE MICHÆL" (admittedly, not lowercase, and I genuinely don't know if that would be significant when it comes to stylising these things, as I presume it was. Yes I am aware he died yesterday, I do listen to the news on the wireless sometimes.) Si Trew (talk) 16:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf. I think its more of a stylistic way of writing his name rather than an actual plausible synonym --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Given that he did indeed occasionally give his name as this, then I feel like we should leave the redirect in place. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:08, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator. Lady Di (disambiguation) has been created. (non-admin closure) --Nevé–selbert 17:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Lady Di → Diana, Princess of Wales  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Dabify, perhaps? Apparently a fictional dog was named "Lady Di" in 2013, see Lady Di (EastEnders). --Nevé–selbert 15:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Diana, Princess of Wales is overwhelmingly the primary topic for this name. The only contender is Diana Lebedeva, who had this nickname, but about whom we have no article (and who at first glance may not be notable). Any other uses, such as the fictional dog, can be linked via hatnotes directly or via a Lady Di (disambiguation) if there are sufficient other uses. Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, overwhelmingly primary, as Thryduulf said. Dear me, I should stop listening to the wireless, every time I do somebody dies. I blame the BBC World Service. Si Trew (talk) 16:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf. If the other characters or people have significant notability then consider a dab/hatnote as with April O'Neil AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:17, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Municipal Real Mamore → Municipal Real Mamoré  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target, and just genuinely confusing. This lays false scent, because until you realise it should be "Mamoré", not "Mamore", you've no clue that "Municipal Real" is not English ("real" being a false friend there). Whichever way it is, it's going to lay false scent until you read "Mamoré" and guess – not knowing what Mamoré is, but realising it's probably not English – that it might be another language (and then perhaps guess it is Spanish), but there's no need to add to it. Si Trew (talk) 15:01, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as version without diacritics. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:14, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:DIACRITICS. If a redirect is identical to the target except for the absence of diacritics and is not otherwise ambiguous with another article then it is a good redirect and should be kept. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 12:10, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• La Mision, Mexico → La Misión  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot). I've just marked this as {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} and {{R from name and country}} in addition to its {{R from title without diacritics}}, to a DAB that doesn't contain any entries for La Mision. When I find myself adding multiple cats, I stop and think: how many should I add before I realise this is better off deleted? Why would a reader type in or search for "La Mision, Mexico" to end up at "La Misión"? (answer: they wouldn't: stats are 0 in 90 days except for one presumably by User:Champion on 22 December). Delete per WP:RFD#D8. I've tagged La Misión, Mexico, from which this was created, as {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} and {{R from name and country}} although I should perhaps take the former out. Si Trew (talk) 14:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep although the dab page should mention that these places listed are all in Mexico. There may be other towns not in Mexico that could be dabbed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:17, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per AngusWOOF. It's actually a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} not {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 18:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: might usefully prevent a future editor from creating an article at that title, guiding them instead to the dab page; might help a reader who doesn't type diacriticals and finds it a plausible title. PamD 10:39, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:10, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Sto. Nino, South Cotabato → Santo Niño, South Cotabato  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) "St. Nino" might be OK, "Sto. Niño" is OK (as the target has it), but knocking the diacritics off this makes it a mixed language redirect. Why not knock the "o" off of "Sto." to make it "St." or "St"? "Sto." isn't an English abbreviation, it's a Spanish abbreviation. So we've anglicised "Niño" but not "Sto."; what's the point of that? Sto. is red, so that's not going to help our dear readers. (You also have to worry how much of a hurry, or short of space, people must be in to abbreviate by one glyph. "Utca" (street) in Hungarian is abbreviated "U.", which saves two; I suppose "Rd" as "Road" does likewise, but "Rd." only saves one; but two would seem to be the reasonable minimum. "jun" for "June" is acceptable when you only have three letters to put all the months into; otherwise, it is sheer laziness.) WP:RFD#D8. Si Trew (talk) 14:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Sto. Nino and Sto. Niño are used in news articles. [6][7] [8] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per AngusWOOF. Yeah, Filipino abbreviations are weird --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:19, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:20, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Steen og Strom → Steen & Strøm  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot) WP:RFD#D8. It doesn't make much sense to knock the dia out of "Strøm" but keep the "og" in Swedish; this is essentially a multiple-language redirect. It had four hits in the ninety days before 16 December; no internal links. A search for this term gives me mainly hits for a firm called Steen and Strom, entirely unsurprisingly as that is what an English-speaking reader would call it, and what they call it themselves. There's not much point having this halfway house when we seem to survive without even that. Si Trew (talk) 13:47, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Considering it's a Scandanavian company, this is a possible search term. [9] Also the Norwegian website uses that spelling: www.steenogstromoslo.no/ AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per AngusWOOF. Thryduulf (talk) 12:32, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:37, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Giobia → Giubiana  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) These ones bug me, although I know which way the wind blows on them. Giubiana#The name lists alternatives in several different languages and this isn't one of them; "Giöbia" and "Giòbia" are. Since the article can make the distinction, it's WP:XY in a very minor way for an R to confuse them. Yes, they "get readers to where they want to go", but it's just wrong when the whole point of that section is to say how it is named in other languages, not how it is transliterated by a mindless bot in English Wikipedia. I imagine I'll have more luck with Gioebia, if it exists, though. Si Trew (talk) 12:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It does, listed above. I just have a general queasiness about when language terms are expressed in an article saying "in another language, it's called this", making an R with affinity (great!) then mangling it to create one without affinity (not so great). Si Trew (talk) 12:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It's not an XY as both are alternative language names for the same thing: Giubiana. This is fine. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as it's found in sources [10]. – Uanfala (talk) 22:05, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:04, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Extreme right on the Internet → History of far-right movements in France  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not just related to the "history of far-right movements in France" Fixuture (talk) 12:18, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, "if Apple redirected to Orange". Actually it's more like retargeting [[:]] to the "Blues and Royals" just because they have "blue" in common. Si Trew (talk) 12:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The title is not nonsense but it's relationship to the target is nowhere near close enough (one aspect of the title overlaps one aspect of the target), and I can't find any alternative title that is better. We have Category:Political websites but this is not subdivided by broad ideology, and targets like Category:Holocaust denying websites are too narrow (and not all of the extreme right denies the holocaust anyway). Thryduulf (talk) 16:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:XY. Not a browser function. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete The far right certainly exists outside France and has a strong presence on the internet, especially with the trends of Brexit, Trump etc, social media has had a strong influence in such movements. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 00:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Since when did the internet have directions? OK, but seriously I don't see any relation with the target. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:05, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The internet has had directions since its inception, after all, what are the buttons at the top of your browser for? - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 23:54, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is far from an exclusively France-specific topic, and far from an exclusively France-specific title for it. Bearcat (talk) 14:36, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, the creation of the redirect was good-faith, and was intended I believe to try and mirror what they do over at frWiki, where they have an fr:Extrême_droite_sur_Internet 'extreme right on the internet' article which is specifically a WP:SPINOFF of the parent-article fr:Extrême_droite 'extreme right' which it turn is a subsidiary of some parent article on the 'political right' as an ideology. There is a redirect on frWiki which takes you from the slang-term "fr:fachosphère" 'roughly: parts of the blogosphere we hate as much as we hate fascists' that goes to the more-encyclopedic extant article-title fr:Extrême_droite_sur_Internet. Because there is a very large distinction between what a French citizen that says "Extrême droite" is talking about (the word-pair has a definite fairly-specific meaning in France), and what a U.S. citizen or maybe even a U.K. citizen would actually mean to imply when they would say 'extreme' right in a mostly-metaphorical sense, enWiki does not actually have an article on Extreme right, instead we have what is more usual in english-speaking discourse about politics, the article called Far-right politics. (The current prose there is quite different from a couple years ago,[11] however.) That article, Far-right politics, makes no specific mention of the web nor the broader internet. So my suggestion is that enWiki can simply delete Extreme right on the Internet, until and unless we have Far-right politics#Internet written and sourced and such. There is a thing which already exists on enWiki, Alt-right#Use_of_memes, but that is not the same thing as the plain language of the extreme-right-on-the-internet redirect is intended to convey, methinks. The parent-article of the alt-right on enWiki is called Radical right in the U.S. which also makes no mention of the web&internet (contrast with Radical right in the E.U. which mentions the theory that the internet could help unify the radical right activists in North America with those in Eurasia). If somebody with expertise in NavboxTechnology™ wants to help make it easier for people to get around our various articles on the far-right / alt-right / radical-right, and region-specific terminology like Extrême-droite, that would be helpful. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 12:38, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete ambiguous and unlikely synonym --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:02, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Jaerv → Wolverine  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot). Wolverine#Name gives plenty of names in other languages, but this isn't one of them. The target lists "Jarfr, Jarfi, Jerv, Järv and Jærv in various Scandinavian languages, even though all my search results indicate this (with this spelling) is a Scandinavian band. But as it happens, it was back-formed from Järv: that is now a name article for an Estonian name meaning "lake" (since it's not cognate, being Finno-Ugric). We could either retarget there if we wanted to turn that into a DAB (and add the foreign-language term as in Wolverine#Name; "Jaerv" would not make sense as a back-formation from Eesti) or delete as WP:XY, as it could have equally been back-formed from "jærv". (That would also encourage WP:REDLINK). Si Trew (talk) 12:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 12:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• A-B Life → A→B Life  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot). A hatnote at the target says "The correct title of this article is [A→B] Life. The substitution or omission of any brackets is because of technical restrictions". It's beyond harmless then to convert the "→" to a hyphen and say that it's a {{R from title without diacritics}}, it's — WP:RFD#D5 nonsense: I see no diacritics. A sensible, real editor created the redirect A_to_B:_Life to it. The idea that a hyphen means "to" here is perhaps established in things like A-Z, but it is also used in apposition, to mean "between" or "difference of", and is not at all some simple substitute for the "→". I presumed it just meant Abbey Life, anyway: "A→B Life: Arrival → Burial". Si Trew (talk) 11:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep it's a reasonable search term that got 20 hits this year. "→" is not an easy character to type in many environments (and may not even be available in all, I've no idea how to produce it on my phone for instance). The usual substitution "->" is not possible either as the ">" character, like the square brackets, is also not permitted in article titles. It's not a {{R from title without diacritics}} but it is a {{R from modification}} I think. Thryduulf (talk) 16:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep useful search option. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. As noted, arrows are impossible to type in some environments, and even where they are possible the typer may not actually know the correct alt code to produce one, so there has to be an alternative in place. I'll grant that Eubot has done some dumb things that warrant cleanup, but the nominator seems to be getting a little bit hyperactive about it and nominating too many things that do have logical and valid rationales for them. Bearcat (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Maybe this is somewhat improper, but it's very likely that someone doing some searching would make this mistake or otherwise not understand how to type in the relevant arrow. I agree with the above arguments. It seems best to just leave this be. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:07, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Viktoria zizkov → FK Viktoria Žižkov  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot) Delete, WP:RFD#D8. I've tagged Viktoria žižkov as {{R from incorrect capitalization}} but there seems little point having one that is both incorrect caps and without diacritics. Considering that there are 27 other redirects to this title, I doubt it helps a search much. Si Trew (talk) 10:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. 54 page hits this year indicates that it is actually helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, it is a plausible search term. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 17:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:33, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Viktorka Zizkov → FK Viktoria Žižkov  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot). Delete as WP:RFD#D8, novel and obscure. Viktorka Žižkov is (I presume) a typo that does not appear in the article, and I've tagged it as {{R from misspelling}}; thence to create a misspelling without diacritical marks is absurd. I've tagged the other 27 (yes, 27: it's had a lot of names) R's to this target as {{R from former name}}, {{R from short name}}, etc, (about half are Eubot ones), but this is going too far. One hit in ninety days, excluding a hit on 22 December which I assume was User:Champion's, so it's not at all a plausible misspelling, even though I and K are close on most keyboards. (The R from which it is created only got 1 hit in 90 days, on 18 November, same day as this one, so they might be crawling hits anyway.) Si Trew (talk) 10:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• "Viktorka" appears on what I take to be football club's website http://www.viktorka2005.cz/, so that shouldn't be a misspelling. – Uanfala (talk) 22:34, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.viktorka2005.cz/ is a website of their U12 youth team. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 17:51, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. cs:Viktorka redirects to cs:Viktorie and the google translation of that article's lead describes "Viktorka" as the "domesticated" version of the name (presumably meaning "diminutive" or "intimate") so this might be the difference between the official name and a nickname, but I'd want input from someone familiar with the team and/or Czech language to be certain of this. Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It is not a typo or misspelling, the team is commonly titled Viktorka Žizkov among Czech football fans and sometimes also by the media [12]. It is a "diminutive" (or nickname), as Thryduulf wrote above. There's nothing wrong or incorrect with that redirect. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 17:46, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above. Thryduulf (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• A straightforward keep per Vejvančický. – Uanfala (talk) 01:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Obama-biden → Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

[Unclear what this refer to it could also refer to the 2012 campaign or the administration. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 07:47, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:PTOPIC. SSTflyer 09:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I also believe that this is far more likely to refer to the campaign, with "Obama-Biden" materials being distributed all over the U.S., than the actual governing administration. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Obama-Biden goes to the same target. Obama–Biden and Obama—Biden are red. Si Trew (talk) 11:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Would deleting this redirect mean the Obama-Biden one would cover this instance? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:02, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Only in cases where people use case insensitive methods of navigating to Wikipedia articles. Links, direct URL entry and others are case sensitive. Thryduulf (talk) 18:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per CoffeeWithMarkets. Thryduulf (talk) 11:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per SSTflyer and CoffeeWithMarkets.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Note I'll follow SiTrew's hook and create the n-dash (but not the m-dash) version of this redirect. – Uanfala (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 12:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• MSNBCs → MSNBC  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Not a valid plural, I can't imagine anyone searching this, there isn't more than one "MSNBC", for that matter. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 06:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep because this is a highly used redirect - 371 views in the 90 days before this nomination. I can't explain why it is used, because all google hits seem to be where the apostrophe has been stripped from "MSNBC's" for URLs and the like, but it is used and the target is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 11:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I'm baffled why this strange redirect has 3,947 page views in the last year and half, but it's clearly getting very heavy usage. It's clearly useful, even if we have no clue why people find it useful. Alsee (talk) 02:28, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This appears to be a valid typo for "MSNBC's", which is a perfectly way of putting things that you see often online (as in "MSNBC's app has recently changed"). CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 00:04, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as {{r from plural}} and {{r from misspelling}}.— Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 04:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:28, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Hispanico → Hispanic  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot) While in Spanish (and Galician) we have "hispánico", in English we have "hispano". We've discussed these prefixes before, e.g. about australo(-) (22 Dec; relisted twice) but this is a bit different in that it can only really mean "Spanish", the question is whether it is sensible to take a Spanish word that (very) generally means "Spanish" and anglicise it in what appears to be a WP:RFD#D8 novel or obscure way: because specifically it is Spanish for "Spanish" I think to knock the diacritics off it makes nonsense of it, and that although Hispánico is OK as a {{R from other language|es}} (and I've tagged it thus, and Galician), but this is a novel back-formation.

Amusingly enough, according to the ES this was actually created from the R at Hispânico, which is Portuguese. But essentially my argument is that English has no particular affinity for Spanish; the usual WP:FORRED argument in reverse. English Wiktionary lists it only as being Latin (with links to other entries for forms with diacritics), and perhaps surprisingly (maybe my search is just not very good) it does not actually seem to be used much in English-language sources. We could redirect it to Ballet Hispanico, but I'm not sure that's wise. Si Trew (talk) 06:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. This gets a fair few hits, and is linked from Joby Mathew. However that's where I fell down a rabbit hole - the relevant sentence reads "Mathew has won gold medal for India in 29th World Arm Wrestling Championship held at Hispanico, Spain." And there is a citation that backs that up and it's repeated in reliable sources. However there is no place by that name in Spain as far as I can tell, and according to World Arm Wrestling Championship the event was held in Bulgaria in 2007 and has never been hosted in Spain (other sources give the year as 2008 or 2012 when the event was in Canada and Brazil respectively, but always they say it's Spain). Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is some rabbit-hole. Apparently there was a split and a parallel event was held in León, Spain – not "Hispanico". Blogs and unreliable sources all. Debouch (talk) 20:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I'm not following the nom's rationale. It's simply an {{R without diacritics}} from "hispánico", which is a proper WP:RFOREIGN redirect as it's Spanish for Hispanic. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Tavix. The ballet is to much of a WP:PTM, and the cheese has no article on wikipedia. – Uanfala (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:02, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Richmond, IN mSA → Wayne County, Indiana  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) I'm listing this before searching, but I seem to recall that there was consensus that we don't need some forms of these "mSA" redirects. That, however, had mostly to do with caps if I recall correctly. However, this one (and maybe others) escaped that discussion. It was created from Richmond, IN μSA, which was discussed in 2010. (The ES by User:Courcelles of 04:44, 4 October 2010‎ says "Remove RFD tag after closed discussion (Using AWB as there over 1,100 of them)., removed: {{rfd}} using AWB". All very good, but {{old rfd}} was not put on the talk page of that redirect, or I imagine any of the others.) Si Trew (talk) 06:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_27. The closing remarks by User:Courcelles, were "The policy rationales are on the side of keeping these, even though the numerical count is even ... The keep side is correct, so I'm closing this as a full keep.". A bold close, then, but I'm not really worried about that: I'd just like to know if that's still the consensus, as I seem to remember there being other more-recent discussions. I'll leave this open for now, but will happily withdraw it (as keep) if it's obviously fine. Si Trew (talk) 06:14, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment We've had a discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_14#Laramie.2C_WY_mSA. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 07:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. I'm not sure which (if either) of those patterns this fits, the first which were all kept, or the second which were all deleted. Si Trew (talk) 10:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per the recent discussion. The term "mSA" isn't used elsewhere. - Eureka Lott 17:29, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• B-copaene → Copaene  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) Back-formed from Β-copaene, that's a Greek letter beta, more usually written β-copaene. I found one use in a medical textbook via Google Books, which goes here, but it's clear even then that it uses the Greek letter, not the Latin one, so either the OCR was on the blink that day or the typesetter got lazy and just chucked in a Latin B (the use of the capital B is in the index). Otherwise all roads lead back to WP for me. beta-copaene already redirects there. Delete as WP:RFD#D8, novel synonym. Si Trew (talk) 05:18, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. From what I can tell, it's sometime transliterated as "B-copaene" or "b-copaene". I'm not positive, but it's harmless nevertheless. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as a common name: a proquest search gives 28 results for b-copaene, which is more than the 22 returned for β-copaene. – Uanfala (talk) 22:15, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Cueneyt Tanman → Cüneyt Tanman  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(eubot) Not Germanic but Turkish, what a silly Cuneyt. Si Trew (talk) 05:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• List of Priomh Áireanna/Presidents of the Republic → President of Dáil Éireann  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• List of Priomh Aireanna/Presidents of the Republic → President of Dáil Éireann  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Eubot)

Delete both.

• The target is not (primarily) a list, although there is a small section President_of_Dáil_Éireann#List_of_office-holders to which these do not go.
• This is a mixed-language title
• The separation is confusing. It's not clear that the Republic means the Republic of Ireland, because that's only given in the Irish. Ireland is not the only Republic to have Presidents; it's just the only one to have Irish Presidents (except perhaps for the United States). Were we to get rid of the alternative Irish and just have "List of Presidents of the Republic", it would be seen to be nonsense.
• I can't actually find Priomh Áireanna in any source beyond those that are scraped from WP, and don't know if it is a valid word-form for "Irish" in Irish. Gtrans has not heard of it. So it might just be an error: the singular, at least, is Príomh Áire and redirects to the same target. "Príomh" means main or prime, but this says "Priomh" (yet keeps a diacritic on "Áireanna"). Si Trew (talk) 04:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Pinging @BrownHairedGirl: who is often knowledgeable about things related to Irish political structures. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both - The wording of these are rather clunky, and I don't think that they're particularly helpful at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoffeeWithMarkets (talk • contribs) 01:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:38, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• (operating system) Linux → Linux kernel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

I don't know what this means. I can't find any usage of this exact wording. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 04:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as WP:RFD#D5 nonsense. Since the kernel is patently not the entire operating system, it makes no sense to target it thus. Linux (operating system) goes simply to Linux, and I've just tagged it as {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}, so if it goes anywhere it should go to Linux, but it's rather putting the cart before the horse, let's all have (Colour) Orange or The Colour Purple... oh... we do have that... Si Trew (talk) 04:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This is clunky and unhelpful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment this was originally an article about the operating system that would have been more normally titled "Linux (operating system)", that was redirected to Linux as a duplicate article and retargetted to where it points now in 2009 by a bot fixing a double redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete housekeeping. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:02, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Mira Achaea → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Pumpie) Weak delete per WP:RFD#D8. This is not entirely unreasonable but is a bit far-fetched without a comma separator. We've already (excluding the ones I've listed here) four redirects to this target, so I doubt anyone will have trouble finding it without this one. Si Trew (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The only uses I can find seem obviously scraped from Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 13:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Each component of this title is reasonable but not reasonable as a whole. Mira is Modern Greek -> English transcription. Achaea is Ancient Greek -> Latin -> English. And the comma between locality and region is missing. So this is a mixed transcription. Delete. (This stands in contrast with the various Litochoro redirects below, each of which is a reasonable transcription using a single transcription scheme except for the ", Greece" suffix.) Deryck C. 15:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete all as awkward disambiguation. Deryck C. 15:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Moira (Achaia), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ]  (Eubot)
• Míra (Achaía), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Moíra (Ahaía), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Míra (Ahaía), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Mira (Achaia), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Mira (Ahaia), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Moira (Ahaia), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• Moíra (Achaía), Greece → Moira, Achaea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

Delete the lot, WP:RFD#D8. All are created by User:Pumpie except the top one, by User:Eubot from the bottom one. This is just not a sensible way to disambiguate a place, what, with (parentheses) then a comma and the country? Cannot be sensibly tagged as {{R from name and country}} or any other geo template, and I tend to use a rule of thumb that if I can't sensibly rcat something then it's a bit dodgy. (Redirects to place names where it's an an other-language name for a place and has had its diacritics docked tend to raise my hackles for that reason, but that's not the case with any of these.) Nobody is going to search this way, nobody's going to use them this way in an article. None has had more than two hits in ninety days, none has any internal links. Si Trew (talk) 04:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete all per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:36, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Kabaduez → Kabadüz  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) not Germanic but Turkish. We already have Kabaduz, as Eubot (if not anyone else) always created the "straight" variants as well as "oe" and "ue" variants. Si Trew (talk) 04:15, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• weak keep as it does see plenty of hits on google, although some of them are for a mountain but I can't work out which mountain it is referring to. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I know it seems illogical, but Google does reveal this spelling error actually existing to a non-negligible degree in the wild. Bearcat (talk) 16:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. Deryck C. 15:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Mustafa Kemal Atatuerk's personal life → Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's personal life  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) not Germanic umlaut but Tuerkish. Clue's in the name. Si Trew (talk) 04:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. Deryck C. 15:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Alex moeller → Alex Möller  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) I've tagged some others as incorrect caps, etc, but now we have the "oe" variant. I feel this is a Weak delete as it just serves no use beyond perpetual maintenance of an {{R from incorrect punctuation}} that was just bot-created, it's not as if a person decided to create this from seeing its use in sources. We've already Alex moller, Alex Moeller, and so on. Si Trew (talk) 03:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. No news articles that have confused Moller with Moeller. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Karagoel, Mardin → Karagöl, Mardin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) Not Germanic, Turkish. Delete, WP:RFD#D8. Si Trew (talk) 03:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was move redirect to 抱きしめる. Deryck C. 15:43, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• 抱きしめる (Dakishimeru) → Dakishimeru  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(NOT Eubot.) As far as I understand it, this just gives both the Japanese and then English names for the band. That seems a very unlikely way to search, and a very unlikely (certainly not encouraged) way to use a link in an article. (With inline translations, it's best to link either to the translated or native form, not both.) Delete, we discourage mixed script (and this is linked at User:Ilmari Karonen/Mixedscript, nowhere else), and WP:NOTDIC. We don't actually have 抱きしめる, and I would not object to its creation (or moving this over without leaving a redirect.) Si Trew (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to 抱きしめる. This is a {{R from move}} when the article was moved to the present title in December 2005 1 minute after creation, and gets no use but the Kanji title is a good redirect and so we might as well preserve the attribution by moving rather than deleting and creating anew. Thryduulf (talk) 13:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Move per Thryduulf. Hopefully the move should remove the mixed language redirect as that is not even used in the title of the single, which uses just "抱きしめる". No other titles to disambiguate. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• No reason for discussion It was an action in 2005 predating the current community consensus. I do not see a reason for discussion. I propose nominator take whatever bold action he or she thinks is best. :) -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 10:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete per clear consensus. On top of that I can only facepalm at the Eubot creation. Ironically this is how a Japanese-speaker whose native language is Chinese would mentally parse this name, but it's not a "correct" transcription in any sense. Deryck C. 12:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Bao kisimeru (Dakishimeru) → Dakishimeru  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) Back-formed from 抱きしめる (Dakishimeru). That's a bit stupid as the R really just gives the Japanese name followed by the English transliteration, so to then re-transliterate it (wrongly?) is just WP:RFD#D5 nonsense, like having Orange (Orange). The band is called BoA, not "Bao". I'm not sure we even encourage transl(iter)ations in titles like the one this was created from. The few utterances I get from a Gsearch essentially bounce back to here, I think. Delete. Si Trew (talk) 03:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - This looks useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Useless indeed. Thryduulf (talk) 13:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete failed attempt to create Dakishimeru (BoA song). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Actually, Bao is the Chinese pronunciation of the first character 抱. Which makes this a mixture of Chinese and Japanese transliterations. Definitely not a good move by the bot on this one. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:02, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Kyoogokoku-ji → Tō-ji  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) Does this make any sense? I appreciate what was said before about "oo" being an ok transliteration of "ō", but here we have two "ō"s together so would each "o" serving as one of them or both serving together? i.e. a bit ambiguous or a misspelling, like spelling "super" for "supper". The target has it as "Kyō-ō-gokoku-ji (教王護国寺)" and I wonder if this becomes nonsense without the hyphens to split it; back-formed from Kyōōgokoku-ji. Si Trew (talk) 03:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment On the Japan National Tourism Organization website, it is spelled as Kyoo-Gokoku-ji. The prefectural website spells it as Kyo-o-gokokuji. I guess this is the correct spelling but with the diacritics removed? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Used in some books that prefer the (word)-ji style, with the diacritics so the non-diacritics version applies. [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:21, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. The correct way to parse this Japanese proper name is ((kyo-o)-go-koku)-ji or (kyo-o)-(go-koku)-ji. So the redirect title makes sense as a title with stripped diacritics. It's confusing, but so is any attempt to strip diacritics. Deryck C. 12:26, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as attested (per AngusWOOF) and plasuible, albeit awkward (per Deryck C.). – Uanfala (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 03:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Pyhaejaervi (Satakunta) → Pyhäjärvi (Satakunta)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) Delete as WP:RFD#D8, not Germanic umlaut, Finnish. Si Trew (talk) 03:20, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I've spoken to User:Susannaanas about this and both diacritic-stripping (ä -> a) and expansion (ä -> ae) are acceptable where Swedish and Finnish need to be transcribed into plain English letters. Deryck C. 15:42, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Deryck, would you be able to provide a link to that discussion? It would be neat to have something to refer to in future cases. – Uanfala (talk) 12:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • This Tweet. Deryck C. 23:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Deryck C. (and thanks for the link!). – Uanfala (talk) 21:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. (Soft delete) Deryck C. 15:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Vilejka voblasc → Vileyka Voblast  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot). Back-formed from Vilejka vobłasć, even that itself is a bit dodgy in EN:WP where we usually call these things "oblasts" or "voblasts". As the title already does so, having this misspelling is unlikely, I think. WP:RFD#D8. Si Trew (talk) 03:17, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This is another redirect with exactly four hits in 2016. The final two are on the same dates (3 May and 8 November) as the redirect immediately above, while the year's second hit for this redirect and first for the previous one differ by one day (1 March and 29 Feburary respectively). The other hit is very different though (3 February and 24 April). Thryduulf (talk) 13:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. Deryck C. 16:26, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Coat of arms of Ciudad Autonoma de Buenos Aires → Coat of arms of Buenos Aires  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot). Considering the target is just "Coat of arms of Buenos Aires", I would imagine someone searching for the Ciudad Autonoma specifically would be bothered to put the diacritical marks in. Normally in English it's "The city" and not just "City", too, so in a way this is an odd mix of Spanish and English. Delete. Si Trew (talk) 02:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 12:33, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Arkhiv → ArXiv  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 
• ArKhiv → ArXiv  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

(Eubot) These is a bit hard to search for, as "arkhiv" is the Russian word (and probably in other languages) for, er, archive. They're back-formed from the Rs at Arχiv and ArΧiv, those are lowercase and uppercase Greek letter Chi, which are used in sources sometimes (probably as a nod to TeX, "τέχ"). But to then take the Greek letter and transliterate it as "Kh" or "kh" and not "X" or "x", is just bizarre. Odd lettercase aside, a retarget of "Arkhiv" to archive would be inappropriate as WP:FORRED, as neither this product nor archives in general are particularly Russian. Delete both as WP:RFD#D8. Each has had three hits in ninety days (though who knows if people just want archive); no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 02:41, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I'm inclined to believe that anybody who really typed "arkhiv" into the search bar was looking for the general article about the generic concept of archives rather than this specific archive. Bearcat (talk) 16:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both - I'm also inclined to think that these aren't useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 12:34, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• RAF Gujrat → Gujrat (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: //delete ] 

redirect to nowhere, as there is no article about the air force base and the link points now, rather pointless, to a disambiguation page The Banner talk 02:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target, and WP:REDLINK. Si Trew (talk) 06:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: This would refer to a federal paramilitary unit that played a significant role during the 2002 Gujarat riots. Presumably it was a redlink in one of the articles about the events at that time. If it were to be kept, Rapid Action Force would be a better target than Gujarat. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • That proves how confusing it is, as I read is as "Royal Air Force base Gujrat". The Banner talk 14:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Same here, and apparently there was a "Royal Air Force base Gujarat"! Thryduulf (talk) 17:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I suppose RAF Gujrat could be a disambiguation to Royal Air Force Gujarat and Rapid Action Force Gujarat if there were any likelihood of those articles being started (there are sources for both). The List of former Royal Air Force stations#Overseas would use the first link and the articles on the 2002 riots would use the second. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, when both articles exist this should disambiguate between them, but as neither of them do at premptive dab page would just get very quickly deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 19:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I would say per WP:REDLINK but the entry at List of former Royal Air Force stations#Overseas links to Gujarat not this redirect. I'd suggest that the list entry should be changed to point to this redirect (and porbable future redlink) but I've run out of time. Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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