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Result: Issues unaddressed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At over 12,000 words, WP:TOOBIG recommends that the article be trimmed and information spun off, and I think that should happen with this article. There are also some unsourced statements, and sources in the "Further reading" section that could be incorporated into the article or removed, but these are minor compared to the length concerns. Z1720 (talk) 19:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How would you like to see it spun off?★Trekker (talk) 19:19, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StarTrekker: I am not a subject matter expert, but here are some recommendations:

• The lede can be reduced, especially the third paragraph
• "History" can be spun off or reduced.
• "Influence and legacy" can be reduced

• "Awards and achievements" already has its own article: some of the information could be moved there.

Hope this helps. Z1720 (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

StarTrekker, do you intend to work on the article? No worries if not. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AirshipJungleman29 I would not mind contributing if there is a consensus of what to do. I think moving all awards and similar to the specific article is a good idea. A history article seems like a decent idea Imho. A legacy or influence article I could also see being a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 15:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t have as much time for Wikipedia anymore, but just my two cents since I was very involved in getting this article to GA status the first time around and contributing many sub-articles and content:

• Is there a precedent for spinning off history articles for music groups? Just trying to find a good example.
• A lot of the 2007-present history suffers from recentism and can be truncated and/or moved to other articles like tour & album articles. Sadly, a lot of the tour articles were deleted due to notability disputes and mostly lack of sourcing…this is a whole other issue that needs to be addressed, but it kinda ties in with the main article. Since 2007, the band only released 1 album and the Guitar Hero video game. There was also some band conflict w/ Steven Tyler in 2009-10, the Joey Kramer drama circa 2019-20, several tours, solo endeavors, the Vegas residency, and the scuttled farewell tour. Content should mostly focus on those things, but there’s a lot of fluff that can be pared down.
• Definitely agree a lot of the awards narrative could be moved over to the Awards article. I actually thought the mindset on GA the first time around was to have more of these narrative sections in the main article, instead of just links to sub-articles, but I guess that’s changed.
• Agree on Legacy & Influence sub-article. See above.

Abog (talk) 00:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is precedent for spinning off history articles. Beatlemania and The Beatles on The Ed Sullivan Show are good examples: events from the history of the band can be spun off if there is enough coverage of the event to warrant an article. Considering the length of the article, this should be considered. Z1720 (talk) 01:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha. I thought others were suggesting a “History of Aerosmith” article or something to that effect, which I haven’t yet seen with other bands. Definitely makes sense to spin off detailed content into sub-articles. In Aerosmith’s case, I think siphoning off details into the album and tour articles make the most sense. Abog (talk) 03:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]