The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 18 December 2024 [1].

Nominator(s):  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a short-lived magazine that emerged in the early days of the Republic of China. Though it lasted only seventeen issues, The True Record has been considered one of the most important magazines of its era. This article offers a comprehensive review of the English literature, as well as several Chinese-language sources (and one in Japanese), offering the most comprehensive review of this publication available. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Marking myself down for a review later. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 06:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I totally forgot about this. Source review:

• Cited mainly to quality academic sources. Brittanica is cited only for general context, which is a good use case. More marginal sources like Zhu 2017 (for the CPPCC) and Wang 2008 (for the Southern Metropolis Daily, a tabloid) are used only once and in good contexts. The Southern Metropolis Daily definitely seems like the sketchiest source here; in conjunction with another source its good, but I'd try to remove or add to its lone case of being cited by itself.

Citations are all properly laid out and seem consistently formatted. Only inconsistency is that the publishers are wikilinked for websites, but not wikilinked for books. You can remove the website wikilinks or add publisher wikilinks to books. My preference is the latter, but you do you.

Spot check to come. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 15:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Removed the links from the websites. I'll confirm that the SMD materials are supported by Pan and Xu. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Reworked to only include elements supported by Pan & Xu, with Wang 2008 removed in this instance. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Generalissima and thanks for taking on the source review. How are things looking now? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no, I'm so sorry ive put this off for so long. :( I'm happy to Support on the source review, as it looks like another spot check is in progress. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed the article for GA, and such minor quibbles as I had were dealt with then. On rereading for FAC I find nothing additional to carp about and I am happy to add my support for the elevation of this article to FA. It meets all the criteria, in my view. Tim riley talk 19:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will review. If I don't start within 7 days ping me. 750h+ 02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi 750, have you had a chance to look at the article? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry for the late response, comments incoming. 750h+ 08:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lead

No problems here.

history

• They had returned to China in 1908 "had" is redundant
  • Nixed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• throughout China via its offices Shanghai and Guangdong ==> "throughout China via its offices in Shanghai and Guangdong"
  • You'd think after rereading this article eight times I'd have caught that. Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• title The True Record was provided together with a mailing address "together" seems redundant
  • Together with changed to "alongside". — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

description

• Questions of advancing the nation ==> "Questions about advancing the nation"
  • Changed to "The advancement of the nation" — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• This reached a peak in 1913, when ==> "This peaked in 1913, when"
  • Done. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the article @Crisco 1492:, and sorry for the late response. happy to support once all addressed. 750h+ 08:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks 750, I have responded to all of your comments.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Happy to support. 750h+ 12:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Placeholder 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Several articles detailed individuals who had fought against the Qing dynasty, such as Shi Jianru,[46] who had attempted to kill the Qing governor of Guangdong in 1900,[47] and Bai Yukun [zh],[46] who had been killed in the Luanzhou Uprising [zh].[48] Some articles, such as "Chu Ziwen Destroys His Family to Help the Country",[q] extolled the virtues of persons who continued to contribute to the nationalist cause; it asked, "the country is the family. If the country does not exist, where is the family?" I feel like this article is too long for a single sentence. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 15:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• That's two sentences. Several articles detailed individuals who had fought against the Qing dynasty, such as Shi Jianru,[46] who had attempted to kill the Qing governor of Guangdong in 1900,[47] and Bai Yukun [zh],[46] who had been killed in the Luanzhou Uprising [zh].[48] and Some articles, such as "Chu Ziwen Destroys His Family to Help the Country",[q] extolled the virtues of persons who continued to contribute to the nationalist cause; it asked, "the country is the family. If the country does not exist, where is the family? (well, technically three, though since the last one is part of a quote I'll count it as two). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support After reading it again, I am trying to find anything to nitpick but found nothing. The article is actually written very well. I feel like the nominator is a professional writer. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 00:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Question for coordinators: This nomination is at three supports and has had an image review. It is pending a source review. Would I have leave to nominate another article? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Fraid not Chris, you need a source review pass first. And you get a swifter response if you stick a {{@FAC}} in somewhere. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Alright. No big rush (hence the lack of template), as I rather expected the need for a source review. Just thought it worth a try. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may start another FAC if you wish. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are Modern China Studies, Jiangsu Social Sciences, Bulletin of the Graduate School of Social and Cultural Systems and Dute News a reliable source? Some author names have commas and others don't. Retrieval dates likewise are inconsistently applied to sources with DOIs. Bit odd that "Hong Kong Comics" is published by an Architectural Press. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus:

• Jiangsu Social Studies is an academic journal organized by the Jiangsu Federation of Social Sciences. It has an independent editorial board.
• Modern China Studies is an inter-university academic journal based out of Virginia. It has an academic editorial board of sinologists and Chinese scholars from both the United States and China. It is peer reviewed and has an editorial board.
• Bulletin of the Graduate School of Social and Cultural Systems is an academic journal published by the Graduate School of Social and Cultural Systems at Yamagata University. As per the submission guidelines, the journal accepts papers from faculty, students, and alumni, as well as visiting researchers, dealing with articles related to the humanities. Submissions are reviewed by editorial board.
• Dute News is a portal created by the Shenzhen Special Zone Daily, a newspaper published in Shenzhen. The article here appears to have initially been published in another newspaper, labelled the Jingbao (it's neither The Crystal nor the Peking Gazette; according to the Chinese Wikipedia page, it began publication in 2001 and is published by the same company as the Shenzhen Special Zone Daily). The author, Cai Dengshan, has actively researched the late Qing/early Republic era and produced a documentary series on it.
• The lack of commas in author names is determined by the use of the author-mask field, the use of which is required under the relevant MOS section. The examples provided therein omit the comma for authors without a Wikipedia article.
• I have removed the access date from the one DOI item that had it. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus, I was wondering if I have addressed your concerns. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it is fine - the template messing up the commas is probably an issue for the template rather than the FAC. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Floriani 2023 needs a page range.
• "Established by brothers Gao Qifeng and Gao Jianfu as the nascent Republic of China was seeking to develop a new culture after centuries of Qing rule, it sought to monitor the new republic, report the welfare of the people, promote socialism, and distribute world knowledge." Whew! Maybe split into two sentences?
• "of the early Republic of China" doesn't work. 'of the early years of the Republic of China'? (As opposed to 'of the first Republic of China'.)

Gog the Mild (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Done all three. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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