The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 21:28, 30 August 2007.

The article is exhaustive but focused, and is well-sourced. Kariteh 10:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC) Co-nom pending copy-edit and final tweaks—everything is handled well with this one. A few tweaks and it'll be in good shape. — Deckiller 14:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Object: The image Image:FFXIBundle.jpg is used under fair use, but does not appear to provide any information beyond what the text of the article does. --Carnildo 18:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All right then, we need to fix this information up as soon as possible. Greg Jones II 21:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per User:Sjones23. --Hornet35 14:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I added fair use rationale. They're probably comical in the eyes of the "image specialists", but fair use is not my forte. Also, I guess I'll take it on myself to copy-edit and tweak the article (we need a review box and extensive copy-editing). — Deckiller 17:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, only four images? The Vana'diel article needs to be more presentable to make the main article work.--Nydas^(Talk) 22:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't play FFXI, but I'll see if I can answer those questions. I'm not even sure of the Vana'diel article should even exist, since I doubt there's real-world information out there. As for the images, I wish we could include more too, but the fair use people have already objected to one image being used under fair use, so additional images might cause an even greater objection. It's truly unfortunate that we have to be so strict with images. — Deckiller 22:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've cleaned up the Vana'diel and List of Final Fantasy XI characters articles a bit. Now whether these two articles should actually exist seems to be a debate unrelated to this nomination. Kariteh 22:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Related to the original comment, I find it very odd there isn't a picture of the UI, and the only in-game shot is "naked". Nifboy 04:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Object

• Serious issues with wikification. Second and third paragraph of lead, and after that just about every section. Words like storyline, sub plot, character (to player character), quest, subscription, the items in the list of character traits, monster (to Mob (computer gaming)), abilities, spells... etc should be linked. I am not listing every word I think should have an internal link, but this is a serious issue. Most of the non-trivial (dates etc.) internal links in this article lead to other FF articles. This is bad for the uneducated reader.
• The article fails FAC 3, because it needs more images. After the setting section, no more images appear. Where images are not available, especially in the reception section, a {{cquote}} from a review may prove useful.

More minor things:

• 1c issues with the last two paragraphs of the updates section and the last few of the release section.
• 1a and 2 issues - see WP:VG/GL#Style. The story is set in Vana'diel - what is that? Explain in the lead, or do not use that word in the lead. The prose in the expansions and updates section is not up to FA standard - they contain jargon and are generally not well written. Expansions, updates and audio sections contain proseline.
• There is a fansite in the external links. Remove this please - the number of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS arguments for keeping fansites would be enormous if this article would be promoted with one in the links.
• Infobox length. Move the information on some of the less notable designers, the 360 release dates in different countries, and the different ratings (write 12+ and link) to the development section.
• All of the information in the gameplay section is drawn from sources that are not independent of the subject. Draw at least some information from independent sources such as reviews.

User:Krator (t c) 08:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AlrightOur WikiProject is experienced with FACs, but this was premature; such a nomination won't happen again. I could be at fault for recommending we get another group of FAs soon, and then not being able to actually help where articles need me the most.

WRT the images, we are going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place; if someone adds images, they'll probably be decorative, so they'll feed Carnildo's objection. Yet if we don't add images, they'll feed your objection. But the image quality is also lacking severely; the gameplay image doesn't even show the menu screens.

As for wikification/copy-edit, I haven't had the time to touch the article, and I might not until tomorrow. It needs a lot of work.

In general, we don't use reviews for gameplay sections because the manuals suffice; however, if you'll still object without them, then they can be added. — Deckiller 14:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Per Krator. A few sections need references. --Kaypoh 11:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment All issues need to be fixed before nomination can continue. Greg Jones II 11:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um, that's common knowledge. The nomination doesn't exactly stop because the article needs fixed, if it's not fixed, it will fail. DarthGriz98 14:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um, just to clarify, Griz, if this FAC does fail, we will restart it once we make it FA quality. Greg Jones II 14:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.