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Alexandra Rodríguez Long

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level competitions, no junior-level international medals. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable, no major wins, coverage is only confirmation of participation in various events. Oaktree b (talk) 01:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find any secondary sources showing notability under the WP:GNG here. Let'srun (talk) 03:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Barker

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This has existed for 18 years without a single source which is actually about the actor, and I can't find any sources that are actually about her, as opposed to her being mentioned in articles about her father. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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OK to delete (and recommend deletion rather than redirect, as there are other people with the same name who may be more notable). There actually are more negative reviews of the play her father wrote for her, like "Daddy's girl could do without his help" in The Financial Times. But these are arguably not really about her (the FT review says things like "on this terrain it is hard to judge how good an actress she is"), and otherwise she is mentioned in passing in her father's obituaries and articles about her fugitive brother facing child porn charges. Does not meet WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Željka Krizmanić

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete Fails notability, no sources provided and I cannot find any significant coverage of this skater. Would be interested to know why the PROD was removed as no reason given in the edit summary.
Shrug02 (talk) 00:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juni Marie Benjaminsen

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Non-notable figure skater; provided sources relate to her siblings, who may or may not be notable, but notability is not inherited. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete Fails notability and sources fall well below the required significant standard.
Shrug02 (talk) 00:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wong Weng Hei

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There doesn't appear to be any WP:SIGCOV for WP:NSPORT. CNC (talk) 18:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - all citations are stats pages and mentions, nothing significant. Shinadamina (talk) 05:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – The article is well written, but it lacks WP:SIGCOV. I change my vote in case of new sources. Svartner (talk) 20:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Ievleva

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level international medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - all citations are stats pages and mentions, nothing significant. Shinadamina (talk) 05:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The corresponding Russian article has a few decent sources, such as [[1]] and [[2]]. We probably need to look a bit closer into sources from Russia here to determine if the subject is notable or not. Let'srun (talk) 01:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carolina Gillespie

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I found [[3]] but it appears to lack independence. Still undecided here. Let'srun (talk) 01:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Temmie Chang

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This biography of a living person was published with no sources, and is promotional and unencyclopedic in tone. A ProQuest search yields 11 hits, all of which are brief mentions of her as a collaborator with Toby Fox and contributor of artwork to his video game, Undertale. A Google search yields more, but these do not meet Wikipedia standards for reliability (see WP:RELIABLESOURCES) and do not contribute to notability in the Wikipedia sense. Does not meet WP:BASIC, let alone WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Escaped Chasm. I've done source searching for her in the past out of curiosity regarding if she could have an article or not. She's not notable, and I don't think an argument could be made for her to pass WP:NARTIST either. So, with that being said, redirect this article to Escaped Chasm, which is a game that she created and actually has an article. λ NegativeMP1 04:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Unsourced WP:BLP. Sadly the page history shows this was never close to being adequately sourced. A redirect or merge to Escaped Chasm is not ideal as it doesn't contain biographical information and isn't the thing Chang is most known for, but is better than nothing! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:NCREATIVE #3 as she played a major role in co-creating Undertale as its lead artist and concept artist, which some might call one of the best known indie games ever made without hyperbole, as well as Deltarune with a similar role. If Escaped Chasm is actually notable, it would give further credence to her being a notable creative. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately most of the coverage on Undertale focuses on Toby and mentions Temmie's role only very briefly (plus the fact that there is a creature named after her). Cielquiparle (talk) 02:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is completely wrong. Temmie is not regarded as a co-creator of Undertale, and she is only discussed as the artist for that game on the Undertale article (where she is covered in one sentence of the articles body). I also don't think NCREATIVE is valid here because of WP:INHERITED, due to the aforementioned lack of commentary about Temmie Chang's role in the game. There are practically zero reliable sources that discuss her as a person. λ NegativeMP1 02:19, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per NegativeMP. The page, as is, should be deleted due to the complete absence of sources. Madeleine (talk) 16:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maya Kornberg

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Previously nominated for proposed deletion by a different editor, but was contested on Talk:Maya Kornberg. The article generally lacks verifiable third-party sources and relies heavily on professional pages as well subject's own personal page. Per WP:Notability, candidates for political office are not inherently notable. Nearly all the sources I could find on Kornberg which may be used to improve the page exclusively focus on her council candidacy and the page was only created following her announcement. Her professional career working in NGOs does not appear notable enough for an article. Because of this, I nominate the article for deletion due to a lack of notability and agree with previous attempt under Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. --Stanloona2020 (talk) 02:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:BASIC even without the political candidacy, with coverage such as the independent review for her book Inside Congressional Committees (Columbia University Press, 2023) in the academic journal Congress & the Presidency and the 2010 article about her environmental activism in the Jerusalem Post. She is also quoted frequently in the national media in the U.S. as an expert on Congress and elections. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elise Finch

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Article was deleted via PROD in 2015 as she failed to meet notability guidelines for local news anchors and people in general and did not gain any afterwards. Most of the article's references are about her untimely death, which does not add notability per WP:NOTMEMORIAL The Legendary Ranger (talk) 23:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The obituaries absolutely count towards notability. Her death was covered in by-lined articles in Variety, People, Hollywood Reporter, and the Los Angeles Times. Non-notable people don't merit obituaries like these. Before her death, she also received sigcov in, e.g., The Daily News. pburka (talk) 23:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep a local meteorologist in New York, getting coverage in Los Angeles after her death shows notability. Plenty of coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 01:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristiene Gong

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a seeming lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 15:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colette Kaminski

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not appear to meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The only non-database source in the article is a student newspaper from the school the subject attended, and a search for additional sources came up empty. Please ping me if additional secondary sources can be found. Let'srun (talk) 17:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manuela Stanukova

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NSKATE and WP:GNG. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 22:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - all citations I have found are stats pages and mentions, nothing significant. Shinadamina (talk) 05:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per above. I found nothing to help GNG.Canary757 (talk) 10:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ally Louks

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Seems like a WP:BLP1E candidate - "Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event", the individual does not meet WP:NACADEMIC and as such seems to be otherwise low-profile, and going viral on social media is not per se a substantial event. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 15:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I see that this article borders on WP:BLP1E and WP:TOOSOON (this only started one month ago). But the coverage is from a large variety of sources, and they aren't just paraphrased carbon copies of one article. Multiple articles discuss her at length as the subject of the article, not just a passing mention of "Hey, this person did something newsworthy, thanks for the click." The article is well sourced and is as WP:NPOV as can be when discussing a divisive topic. Angryapathy (talk) 16:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Echoing Angryapathy, there is a large variety of reputable sources (some not even referenced in the Wikipedia article). She even has a fair amount of International coverage; a quick google search shows her being mentioned in Newspapers from Ireland, India, the United States, The U.K., and more. This wasn't the kind of virality that's just a tiktok video of someone saying something salacious that gets big and then dies down - she went viral because of her body of work and research, which has now spun off new discussions and even more coverage of Dr. Louks outside of the initial moment, and into far more mainstream and traditional media sources than one would expect for something that is a mere viral moment. Additionally, I don't believe Dr. Louks will be otherwise low-profile because she's gained over 120,000 followers on twitter, and has already had other tweets about her research and opinions (not directly related to the original viral tweet) go viral in their own right; I think we're just at the beginning of her notability, not that it's already over. I can understand the idea that we may be bordering on 'too soon,' but I think there is enough substantial coverage talking about her as a person and a researcher, not just one moment, to justify keeping the article. InquisitiveWikipedian (talk) 13:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: per Special:Diff/1265752204, the article creator accidentally commented this from her boyfriend's account. Assuming good faith and noting for the record. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 16:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Clear WP:BLP1E issues. Arguments that there are "a large variety of sources" or "international coverage" do not counteract the demands of WP:BLP1E. To quote from that policy:
- Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. - true, all independent sources in the article are only about her going viral.
- The person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. - true, the article subject has given a few interviews to news outlets about her viral post, but otherwise remains WP:LOWPROFILE. This Washington Post article makes it clear that she does not seek media attention: Ally Louks could be considered the antithesis of “extremely online.” The low-key literature scholar is generally more focused on her research and supervising undergrads at Cambridge University than on growing her once-small social media following or posting on X more than a few times a year.
- The event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. - true, going viral on social media may be a significant event in a person's life, but not significant for inclusion in an encyclopedia.

Astaire (talk) 19:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Very clearly does not meet the requirements of WP:SUSTAINED coverage, nor BLP1E. JoelleJay (talk) 04:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not as of today have the sustained coverage over a lengthy period of time to meet the WP:GNG, and as of now is a WP:BLP1E. Let'srun (talk) 00:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mavis Ma

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This article seems to be written in a highly NPOV style, it almost reads like a political attack ad. I'm also not so sure this person even meets GNG and should not be considered notable through their brother(Although it is possible that I'm missing articles not in English). GoldMiner24 ^Talk 04:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I agree with the nom that the article currently documents too many "controversies" which potentially violates NPOV. Some minor incidents, such as the subject being scolded by her father in public or her endorsements of candidates, are totally UNDUE and can certainly be removed. However, I believe most content can stay, as much of the subject's political career involved dirty work, supported by numerous sources and opinion pieces like the one from Apple Daily by Neil Peng (source 33). Although NPOV is a serious concern, AFD is not cleanup, and I do not think notability is an issue for the subject. Currently, there are more than 30 sources listed in the article, with even more in the zhwiki one. I scanned through the first 10 sources, and sources 2, 4, 5, 6, 9, and 10 all provided SIGCOV on the subject and are certainly enough to pass GNG. Not to mention a simple Google News search can already yield many full articles about the subject, such as these articles from Central News Agency[4] and ETtoday[5]. I also think that her case regarding the violation of conflict of interest should be sufficient to meet WP:PERP. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Aiken

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no notable coverage. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 23:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, once the reliable sources below are added. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 14:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is going to add anything to this article. The same people pop up on these AFD's, squawk about how someone having their picture taken for their local newspaper qualifies as "significant coverage", and then the article is left in the same crappy condition it was when we started. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, clearly just pics. Nice to see our fellow editors WP:Assume good faith. JTtheOG (talk) 23:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: As we've seen dozens of times by now, the nominator inexplicably refuses to address any actual coverage of the subject, who seems to meet WP:SPORTBASIC. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. JTtheOG (talk) 07:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per sources from JTtheOG.Canary757 (talk) 10:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per JTtheOG's sources. pburka (talk) 23:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources uncovered by JTtheOG contain the needed coverage to meet the WP:NBASIC. It doesn't matter if those souces are immediately added to the article, as there is WP:NORUSH. Let'srun (talk) 17:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Subject looks notable and has enough news coverage as indicated above. Mysecretgarden (talk) 04:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sabrina Schulz

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No SIGCOV found.Canary757 (talk) 17:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lacks WP:RS citations and does not qualify under WP:GNG.Go4thProsper (talk) 21:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jaimee Nobbs

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Same as the other skaters nominated here. They don’t meet the requirements and haven’t achieved significant RS coverage. Go4thProsper (talk) 21:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Multiple searches turned up zero secondary sources which could be used to meet the WP:GNG here. Please ping me if sources showing possible WP:SIGCOV are uncovered. Let'srun (talk) 01:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sydney Pulver

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I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from third-party sources for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players as possible search term. Giant Snowman 09:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - It's well sourced, it just may be Wikipedia: Too soon. RossEvans19 23:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there are enough secondary-party sources involved, from The Daily Evergreen, The Spokesman-Review, and Lewiston Morning Tribune. [6][7][8][9] Whether that's enough sigcov in combination per WP:BASIC is another story, but certainly no need for third-party sources here per GNG. There is otherwise coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE, so per WP:SPORTBASIC it's likely there are enough sources for notability, even if not a guarantee. If it's a case of too soon then WP:DRAFTIFY would be a better option here. CNC (talk) 10:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Third-party sources are a requirement for GNG... JoelleJay (talk) 03:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. The Daily Evergreen is not independent and so does not count. The Spokesman-Review and Lewiston Morning Tribune articles are brief, routine blurbs about her signing lightly refactored (as in, would absolutely fail our close-paraphrasing rules) from the same press release, and additionally are far from the SPORTSCRIT #5 requirement, let alone the SUSTAINED SIGCOV in multiple IRS sources required by GNG. I see zero reason to draftify considering her contract ended in 2022 and there is no evidence she continues to play professionally. JoelleJay (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, per above I mixed up third-party with tertiary, ie party and person. Agree the student newspaper isn't independent here, and given your reasoning that the subject hasn't been playing since 2022, best to redirect instead. CNC (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tzameret Fuerst

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Advert. all sources are PR, no in-depth personal coverage --Altenmann >talk 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The sources on Fuerst's page are terrible, and it's unclear if she meets WP:NBIO. However, her startup Circ MedTech absolutely meets WP:GNG, with WP:SIGCOV in New York Times, Haaretz, Tablet, VoA, Times of Israel, NoCamels, Reuters, among others. I'll go ahead and create Circ MedTech, and propose we redirect Fuerst to Circ MedTech. Longhornsg (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC) 05:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please note and check that the start up got raft of criticism, allegedly unproven scientific benefits. It is mentioned briefly in the book "Thou Shalt Innovate" by Avi Jorisch, pp. 190-191, the book dedicated to the start up 33 words, the book discuss the greatest innovations that came out of Israel. And guess what ? Tzameret Fuerst not mentioned there, but the three founders of the company mentioned there. It is not her Start-Up, she was married to one of the founders.

Martine Zuiderwijk

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Procyon117 (talk) 16:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karen Friedman Agnifilo

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This should probably be redirected to Luigi Mangione, as her only WP:notable action has been defending Mangione. So, WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLP1E most likely apply. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 13:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nom and WP:BLP1E to the article of the individual that the subject is notable for having represented. --Richard Yin (talk) 13:35, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to keep. Most references are trivial mentions, but this is a pretty lengthy 2021 article about the subject in the New York Law Journal, which seems like a reliable source by my reading of WP:RSLAW. --Richard Yin (talk) 23:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the article on Luigi Mangione. WP:BLP1E. Lack material for WP:V. QEnigma talk 14:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as she is only notable for one thing. History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Luigi Mangione. Procyon117 (talk) 16:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It seems as though if she weren't involved in the case of Luigi Mangione, she would have only had inherited notability via her husband (hate to say it that way but that's how it appears). Perhaps in the future she will have independent notability. Trillfendi (talk) 17:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. With all respect to the nominator, I strongly disagree. Would you say that Johnny Cochrane defending OJ was not notable? This will be, and already is one of the most high profile cases in the entire world, and her name will be looked up on wikipedia constantly. Furthermore, she has plenty of independent notability before the case, with her working for the DA's office of Manhattan, working on Law and Order, and her popular podcasts. Those references have been added in. Please look at them. PaulPachad (talk) 17:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PaulPachad: Could you please provide independent reliable sources that provided significant coverage of Agnifilo that were published before December 2024? GoingBatty (talk) 18:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they were added in. PaulPachad (talk) 18:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are only trivial mentions of her before this month- there was no WP:SIGCOV of her before, just mentions of her or her podcasts in passing more or less.

As for Cochrane, he became notable because of the way he defended OJ, not just bcs he was the defense lawyer. If she become notable, we can revert the redirect- that's why I said it should probably be redirected, and not deleted, bcs her notability will be very ambiguous for at least some time. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Dear @DoctorWhoFan91 If you google her name with the modifier "Before December 2024", you get dozens of articles that would qualify her for an article. Please look here, friends https://www.google.com/search?q=karen+friedman+agnifilo+before:2024-12-01&sca_esv=0abcab0091fd1269&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ADLYWIKOECi4pbSqwH6BXo6Farq5uIqUCw:1735248979949&ei=U8xtZ5rBOY-j5NoP8ZDG2Qw&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjatq-YssaKAxWPEVkFHXGIMcsQ8NMDegQIBhAK&biw=1920&bih=911&dpr=1 PaulPachad (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We cannot base notability on predictions about future events. Kingturtle = (talk) 19:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To avoid losing the content in the event that the subject gains more notability in the future, draftifying is also an option. The current title can then be redirected. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 19:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A redirect won't actually remove the page history, so there is no need to draftify it. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 19:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You’re right, my bad haha. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mild keep based on her notability on TV and other media prior to the Mangione case. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 18:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because she was very independently WP:N before Mangione. She starred in the prosecution of Harvey Weinstein [10] [11] [12] [13] as the Chief Assistant District Attorney. Her reputation precedes her by a long way. There are many WP:V and WP:RS about her. IZAK (talk) 19:36, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Just from skimming her article (which are filled with sources discussing her life and career before taking on Mangione's case), she:
"is a frequent legal analyst on television networks, including CNN and MSNBC"

"serves as a legal advisor for the television show Law & Order"

"worked in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office for over 20 years, holding several senior roles"

"From 2014 to 2021, served as Chief Assistant District Attorney, the second-highest position in the office. In this role, she oversaw more than 500 attorneys and played a significant role in high-profile cases."

"served as General Counsel to the New York City Mayor's Office of Criminal Justice during Michael Bloomberg's administration."

"helped develop Manhattan's first Mental Health Court"

"co-hosts a weekly legal podcast and YouTube channel, called MissTrial, on the MeidasTouch network"

She's mentioned in numerous reliable sources before 2024, and appears more notable (and accomplished) than some of the people listed in [[Category:20th-century American women lawyers]]. All of that plus her taking on Mangione's case (which, in addition to giving her more national attention, is now giving her international attention) tips the scale in her passing the Wikipedia:Notability guidelines. Some1 (talk) 01:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect Per nomination and comments. Go4thProsper (talk) 21:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The subject does not seem all that prominent. 80.200.94.240 (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep To be honest, she should've had an article before the case anyway Personisinsterest (talk) 22:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raegan Revord

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Per Talk:Raegan Revord#Requested move 19 December 2024, this title was previously salted and the subject's notability is doubful. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but... there is a pending AfC submission at Draft:Raegan Revord. Ultimately, the two versions should be merged; the draft has a lot sourcing given the repeated questions about passing WP:NACTOR. It's a borderline case at the moment, but a bit WP:IAR in this case, as thousands of people a day are looking for an article on this actress who starred in a successful popular mainstream sitcom, and the only star from that show for whom we don't have an article due to it being caught up in WP bureaucracy. The multiple AfC rejections caused the page to be salted, which caused someone to create it at a disambiguated title, and here we are, when we shouldn't be; the procedures have failed us in this case. So, merge the two versions and let's stop failing our users, topic easily passes WP:GNG. 03:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC) Mdewman6 (talk) 06:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per the sources in this article, I don't see it easily passing GNG. People is mostly quotes from her, so is EW. Doesn't make them useless as sources, but not good from the WP:N perspective. WP:BLP-goodness of looper/thetab etc not obvious. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep Apart from qualifying for WP:GNG, she seems to have won an award at Family Film Award[14] and a nomination at Young Artist Award [15] thus may pass WP:ANYBIO, merging with Draft:Raegan Revord will be appreciated because the draft is with much information also if this article is deleted per WP:TOOSOON, draft has no reason to still stand ANU^writes 06:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak delete -- fails WP:NACTOR due to not yet having that second significant role, so best covered in the Young Sheldon article. The claim of meeting WP:ANYBIO rests on the Family Film Award, which does not seem to meet the "a well-known and significant award or honor" requirement by at least this basic sniff test: there's no article on it. Argument that other people in the show have articles and thus she should have one is basically a WP:INHERITED one. However, Draft status is a reasonable place for someone on the edge of but not meeting WP:NACTOR -- one significant role puts her halfway there. It allows us to maintain it while waiting for that second role. A draft does not cost us much, and it would be silly to delete all the work that has been done on it. If for some reasons this is kept, it would be better to merge with... or really, largely replace it with... the draft version. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 07:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but it's tangled. First off, this is the perfect case why we should not religiously apply the rules. Revord is easily too well-known not to have a Wikipedia article, and deleting articles on actors that our readers see on their TVs for years in massively successful shows for the technical reason "that is their only notable credit" is a complete failure to be with the times. It also means popular actors below 18 are arbitrarily barred from having Wikipedia entries, simply because it is much less likely to achieve our threshold before you have worked in the industry for some time. Any rule that prevents editors from adding articles on main cast members of top 10 TV shows needs to go away. Second, this article must have become a personal quest for some Wikipedians to stop at all costs. It should have been accepted long ago, and far too many editing hours has already been wasted by me and others on the futile hope these editors would understand that there can be exceptions to the current NACTOR rule and that Revord easily qualifies as such. Sometimes child actors decide to leave the spotlight, and if that happens with Revord, we should first have the article, and then we can remove it, if it becomes clear that Young Sheldon will be her only significant credit for the forseeable future. That other articles with a similar level of notability (take Aubrey Anderson-Emmons for instance) remain unchallenged is likely only because of the arbitrary capricious nature of a process where a few or even a single editor can make it their personal goal to come up with whatever procedural objection that's needed to stop an article, zero common sense required, while not spending any energy on stopping other articles with more or less claim to fame. That this article weren't accepted years ago remains a clear example of Wikipedia failure, full stop, and this is our chance to rectify a long-standing mistake. CapnZapp (talk) 12:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, any argument for/against deletion needs to include everything added to Draft:Raegan Revord, which this article creator seems to have ignored/bypassed entirely. While that's not ideal, if we decide to delete this article, that will set back the acceptance of the draft for even more years, and that is worse than accepting this article (and then merging in the draft). CapnZapp (talk) 12:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Any rule that prevents editors from adding articles on main cast members of top 10 TV shows needs to go away." Disagree, quite strongly. The internet is bigger than WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If this is kept, the draft should be back-filled into the history. As it stands, the accepted version in mainspace sounds nearly identical to the older rejected and multiply-declined draft. Therefore, the draft's history should remain to give original credit for those words. And this also casts doubt on the authenticity of the current article's editors' contributions as being truely their own, vs end-run around the non-acceptance of the older draft. DMacks (talk) 05:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Consider this to be a more succinct statement than what I tried to say in my Keep but it's tangled comment above. CapnZapp (talk) 11:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is a general acceptance in this discussion that the draft version is better (whether or not it's sufficient), might the simplest way to handle this if the decision is "keep" to simply delete the live version and move the draft into place? I don't quickly note anything from the live version that would need to be merged in. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 11:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Mdewman6, ANUwrites and CapnZapp. Subject has been working as an actress for over ten years and has had about 150 credited TV appearances, with most of those in episodes of a top-rated TV series. More than sufficient to establish clear notability for the purpose of having a Wikipedia entry. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just to clarify, since you included me in your "per": There's lots of people with 100+ television credits that Wikipedia rightly ignore, if those are all bit roles. I'm not (strongly) arguing she fulfills the current NACTOR criteria (though I wouldn't be surprised if she is), I'm arguing Wikipedia's criteria are wrong if we can't add articles on young actors simply because not only do they need one successful show, they need two. This heavily tilts Wikipedia's coverage toward adult actors and away from young superstars, sometimes with massive online presences, that people are interested in but our stodgy project choose to ignore. But child actors aren't simply children whose integrity we should protect above all - these individuals and their parental guardians CHOSE public life. They clearly appreciate publicity more than privacy. (No, you can't be part of Hollywood anonymously unless you're a baby) Also, in this case Young Sheldon was a major show where it just so happened that one of its main cast wasn't bluelinked in the main article... and that was (of course) a female. Gender equality is another heavy argument to maintain an article on Revord. All this to say that if you "per" me, you per "so what she hasn't had a second notable role, here we should clearly make an exception from NACTOR". CapnZapp (talk) 11:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be arguing that we should have lower standards for child actors than for adult ones, which seems precisely backwards to me. To the degree that a child actor is making any decision, they are not informed maturely in making themselves so public. There are several ways in which Wikipedia considers minors worthy of additional protection, and Ms. Revord is still a minor at this point. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 12:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reading but my argument "this rule hurts child actors more" does not mean I want to lower the standards for child actors. I don't have any general issue with the 2-roles criteria, iff we accept that thresholds and rules have justifiable exceptions. The current standards demonstrably result in articles on actors (especially young ones whose careers are just starting) remaining absent until well after they have completed a seven season run of a top 10 show, which is absurd. CapnZapp (talk) 18:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consider WP:MINORS (that essay is an essay). Having a WP-article is not an achievement, nor does it necessarily do the subject any favors. The older someone is, it's a bit more likely they have WP:GNG-coverage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History merging would not be appropriate because it is strictly only for copy-and-paste moves. So, how should we resolve this, then? I see at least ~~three~~four possibilities:
- Round-robin swap Draft:Raegan Revord with Raegan Revord and then merge and redirect the former to the latter (if the draft version is better).
- Move Raegan Revord to Raegan Revord (actress) and then move Draft:Raegan Revord to Raegan Revord. After that, Raegan Revord (actress) could then be merged and redirected to Raegan Revord with the following three rcat templates: {{R from merge}}, {{R with history}}, and {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} (alternative to round-robin swapping if the draft version is better).
- Merge and redirect Draft:Raegan Revord to Raegan Revord (if the article version is better).
- Delete Raegan Revord and then move Draft:Raegan Revord to Raegan Revord (if there is nothing from the article that is worth merging into the draft). (Added 17:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC))

GTrang (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's all too complicated. I think we should simply not worry about it for a few days, until this AFD is over. Then we delete Raegan Revord and if the outcome is keep, move Draft:Raegan Revord to Raegan Revord. If the outcome is delete, we just leave the draft where it is, as the draft of something that has a reasonable chance of crossing the notability rubicon soon. There is nothing in the currently-live article that needs to be saved. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 16:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I have added a fourth possibility to my list. GTrang (talk) 17:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This article is long overdue. If any more info is in the draft article it should also be included. --Marbe166 (talk) 18:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nande Mabala

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Sockpuppets and likely LOUTSOCK IPs are repeatedly eliminating a redirect, so instead of edit warring I am seeking an AfD consensus to establish a redirect to Miss South Africa 2023. The subject is not a pageant winner, and any notability she has appears to be WP:BLP1E for her placing in that pageant; the coverage that exists is WP:ROUTINE and there is no WP:SIGCOV for a WP:GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~: Why redirect in the first place? Edit warring and sock are not ground for deletion. Deal with the users and IP adequately. I also don't think WP:BLP1E applies here. The subject is a model, just like how a musician can be a one hit wonder. She is clearly notable and discussed in multiple RS, meaning she pass WP:GNG. A simple Google search is enough, I'm not gonna try to reference the whole internet here. dxneo (talk) 11:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you supply the specific sources you believe constitute SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to pass GNG? I didn’t find any in my BEFORE, just mentions of her pageant career that didn’t go into substantial depth. P.S. Editor disagreements over a redirect are indeed a valid reason for an AfD discussion per WP:BLAR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I think I'll be back here on the 30th. Can't perform a full search rn, but she did headline multiple RS. Ciao! dxneo (talk) 12:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have seen a lot of secondary reliable source with a significant coverage. I'm wondering how you nominated this article for deletion because what didn't tally with I knew on Wikipedia. [16], [17], [18], [19], [20] and [21] are enough to establish notability, as such it pass GNG [[Special:Contributions 102.91.92.110 (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC) — 102.91.92.110 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Nope, your first, second, and fourth sources are tabloid coverage, and per WP:SBST, tabloid journalism is not significant coverage. The third source is a Q&A interview and thus a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. The fifth source is not an journalistically independent publication; it's a local booster/hotel room magazine. The sixth source, while not a Q&A, is composed almost entirely of quotes from Mabala and appears to based solely on an interview with her and is thus also a primary source. We're not at the point of WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG yet. By the way, since this is the first time this IP address has edited Wikipedia, can I ask what accounts you've previously used? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to discuss this "interview is a primary source" thing, because that's where information normally comes from. If another publication quotes that interview, no one would say it's "primary". If the interview was published by a reliable source, then it's most definitely reliable. dxneo (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not on my laptop so not going to type a full reply, but between this recent long discussion thread and WP:INTERVIEWS, there’s a robust consensus that merely being interviewed does not make one notable and that any content that is entirely or almost entirely dependent on an interview with the subject is not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I'll comment on the notability of the subject in the next few days. dxneo (talk) 09:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In addition to the sources mentioned above, there are feature articles about her in the Sowetan, Dispatch, Worcester Standard, Star, and IOL. Plus coverage in the Sunday Times. Sure, a lot of the content is from interviews with Mabala, but these are by no means straight Q&A and are about as hard-hitting as you can expect of journalism about beauty pageants. I doubt that many models would pass WP:GNG if only investigative journalism qualified as secondary sources for the purposes of establishing notability. Jlalbion (talk) 11:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of not appearing to bludgeon the discussion I’ll refrain from further comments in this discussion, other than to say that I reviewed these additional sources in my BEFORE and did not find them to pass the bar of independence (as single source interviews) or of SIGCOV (as tabloid coverage). I don’t edit much on beauty pageants and perhaps there is a local consensus at AfD on sourcing for pageant participants that I’m unaware of, so I’ll let the community decide without further input. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emiliya Kalehanova

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, does not meet NSKATE, web searches for romanized and cyrillic names did not turn up any secondary sources. Toadspike [Talk] 12:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per Nom.Canary757 (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nelli Ioffe

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, does not meet NSKATE and could not find any sigcov with a quick web search. Toadspike [Talk] 12:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zahra Alavi

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Fails notability, this is just one line of article and then throwing lots of not-really-related references to trick wikipedia. for example one of the sources is about District 8 Championships! (and not even the national youth championship) Sports2021 (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete as per nom.
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Angelina Jaffe

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WP:BLP of a diplomat, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for diplomats. As always, diplomats are not "inherently" notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show that they would pass WP:GNG on third-party coverage and analysis about their work in media and books. But this is "referenced" solely to a staff profile on the self-published website of a publication that the subject was the bylined author (not the subject) of a couple of pieces of writing for and a brief glancing namecheck of her existence in a short blurb announcing the appointment of 16 new ambassadors -- meaning that the first is a directly affiliated primary source that isn't support for notability at all, while the second isn't detailed enough to get her over WP:GNG all by itself if it's all the secondary sourcing she's got: we need to see substantive coverage about her work in diplomatic roles, not just cursory verification of the fact that she's been appointed to them. Bearcat (talk) 14:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Myriam Leuenberger

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete This skater's career does not justify a Wikipedia article. Also lacks significant coverage with what coverage there is consisting mostly of result lists.
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Delete, fails NSKATE. A search for sources at the Swiss newspaper archives [22] turned up mostly tournament result listings, along with non-sigcov [23][24][25]. Toadspike [Talk] 16:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadhvi Prachi

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Got little coverage for some controversies but fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Capitals00 (talk) 16:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NPOL Ibjaja055 (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The subject does not meet WP:NPOL. Furthermore, they are known primarily for their controversial tweets/statements. However, they do not satisfy the WP:GNG either. Baqi:) (talk) 10:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not ready for mainspace. For now it fails WP:NPOL. Bakhtar40 (talk) 07:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Bryant

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Contested draftification of a mildly promotional bio. Sources do not support the subject's notability under WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. They are the subject's own writing ([26], [27], [28], [29], [30]) and official bios and thus WP:PRIMARYSOURCEs ([31], [32]) -- there is no WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable, independent sources. She does not seem to be widely cited or meet any other criteria of WP:NACADEMIC, and she does not meet WP:NAUTHOR as far as I can tell (I see one independent review for one of her co-authored works, and we'd need more). Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Citations do not stand out among those by other Susans Bryant so I do not see a pass of WP:PROF#C1, and I searched for book reviews with even less success than the nominator, so I do not see a pass of WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can't decide at this moment, but I did find reviews of one of the books (also cited by NOM) and reports that she had authored (or co-authored). Her area of expertise (military strategy) isn't for a general audience. I am leaning toward delete however, due to a lack of independent sources. Lamona (talk) 07:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sharan Kaur Pabla

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"Sharan Kaur" was a fictional character created by the author Vir Singh in a fictional novel. There are literally no reliable sources to support that "Sharan Kaur" was an actual historical figure. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 07:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG. Even disregarding the inaccuracies, this article has only one source supporting it. A Google search found some websites which support his existence, such as this one, but this website is far from noteworthy coverage nor is it a reliable source. Even the most popular result, from SikhiWiki, cites Wikipedia as a reference, making it unusable. Jordano^5³ 07:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harshada Pathare

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The article on Harshada Pathare fails to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for authors and filmmakers. The references cited are primarily from non-independent or low-quality sources, such as News24, Yahoo Finance, and promotional platforms like the Tagore International Film Festival’s own website. These sources lack the depth and reliability required to establish significant coverage or independent notability. Additionally, the article has a promotional tone, which violates Unambiguous Advertising or Promotion. The subject's notable achievements, including awards and books, are not adequately supported by independent, verifiable sources.

There is also a possible Conflict of Interest, as this subject has a significant creation and deletion history dating back to 2018, with five drafts and one main space article being deleted under G11. It is unlikely that this repeated effort to create the article is coincidental, especially considering the subject's limited notability as evidenced by their sparse Google presence. This raises questions about why multiple attempts have been made to establish this page, despite a lack of substantial independent coverage.

Upon further investigation, the creator of this page appears to have a pattern of creating articles with extensive personal data, often citing only one or two references. This raises concerns about verifiability and how the creator is obtaining such detailed information when it is not publicly available. These issues, combined with the lack of reliable, independent sources and a promotional tone, warrant deletion of this article for failing to meet Wikipedia’s standards for notability, neutrality, and verifiability. Kriji Sehamati (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete All the sources in this article run afoul of WP:NEWSORGINDIA - unless some better sources can be found that confirm notability we should probalby delete. Simonm223 (talk) 16:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep The references provided for Harshada Pathare are from reliable and trusted portals supporting the notability. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 07:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately WP:NEWSORGINDIA inducates that, as they regularly do PR pieces for undisclosed pay most Indian news publications are insufficient to establish notability. So far there are only Indian news sources and primary sources here. Simonm223 (talk) 11:52, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no opinion on the subject but NEWSORGINDIA does not say that exactly. Indian sources are perfectly acceptable if the media outlet that published them is reliable and they seem independent enough. -Mushy Yank. 02:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete None of the sources listed mention/review any of her works, most of which seems to be vanity/self published, hence fails WP:POET. Spike 'em (talk) 10:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Midwin

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I can't find any extended discussion of this living person, or any distinction making her automatically notable. Databases record her having had a professional beach volleyball career; she has appeared once or twice in Playboy publications/websites; she ran for local office once. I reduced the article in this edit, removing some poor sources (a magazine search, a Getty images search, a brief TV segment via YouTube) and some unreferenced personal information, but I conclude that notability can't be demonstrated. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG under WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:NMODEL. QEnigma talk 14:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV of this BLP either from newspapers.com or multiple web searches. Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of any significant coverage. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 20:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lisette Titre-Montgomery

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No SIGCOV, I can only find 1 independent, non-sponsored, in-depth, and reliable source. Bearian, just because we're scrutinized by the public doesn't mean we need to keep articles that are not within policy. In fact, we should be making every effort to delete articles out of policy. The book user:Megalibrarygirl added (from my one-in-the-morning skim of Google Books) appears to be fairly trivial, stating facts and that's 'bout it. Jay Cubby 06:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I wrote this article and there's plenty of coverage for GNG. Please look at the full set of sources the article uses. They include:

Changing the Equation: 50+ Women in STEM Published by Abrams 2020
Coverage on NPR: Changing the Game in Video Gaming 2013
Biography on BlackPast: [33] 2018
Women in Gaming 2018 DK Publishing biography
Business Insider from 2015 [34]
Gaming magazine [35] 2024
Biography on Centre for Computing History [36]

As shown above, the subject of the article has been noticed by important people in her field, such as the Computer History museum. The assertion that books made for general consumption are trivial is not an argument for deletion. What is a trivial book to one person is not trivial to others and can still be a good source of reliable information. Non-fiction books by large publishers (Such as Abrams) go through a good amount of copyedit and scrutiny. In addition, books for general consumption show that a person is notable in their field enough to break through to the general public which is why they are included in 2 popular reading anthologies. With all of the coverage from several sources over time, including two books, the article demonstrates WP:GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Megalibrarygirl. ~ A412 ^talk! 22:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with Megalibrarygirl here. I saw this delete nomination and started looking through the sources. This looks pretty solid to me. An aside that normally wouldn't matter, but warrants a little mention here → Megalibrarygirl is by profession a librarian. — Maile (talk) 02:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Jay Cubby with re-formatting by Nnev66 to keep discussion consistent and hopefully easier to follow:

Google Books: From the pages that were available there (I couldn't find a PDF to pirate), mentions appear trivial but Google Books probably omitted lots of pages.
NPR: It's an interview, so not really independent.
BlackPast: "This entry is sponsored by Quintard Taylor" -- unless sponsored means someone made a donation to BlackPast and got their name on articles in return, I'm skeptical.
That book was written by Meagan Marie, at the time of that book's writing she was an online community manager (whatever that means) for Crystal Dynamics. I don't see a professional connection between Marie and Titre-Montgomery on my skim of the article. The book reads (again , from the Google Books sample) like children's pulp fiction (pixel font, headings like "♥STATS: Industry Level: 20; CURRENT CLASS: Co-Chair")
Business Insider: Titre-Montgomery is 23 of 23 on the list, and the portion devoted to her is short enough I can quote it without fear of running into copyright issues:

- Titre has been a video game developer for over thirteen years. A couple of months ago she landed at Ubisoft, makers of the smash hit Assassin's Creed series, as a manager in its art/computer department.

- Not only does she have a geek's dream job, but Titre has also been a tireless advocate encouraging more young women, especially underprivileged youth, to consider the gaming industry as a career.

GamesIndustry.biz: (see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GamesIndustry.biz) From their about: "GamesIndustry.biz is the market leading website and community for news and information about the global video games industry." The article mostly consists of quotes from L-TM.
CfCH: No sigcov. The entirety of her bio is a whopping 124 words.

Jay Cubby 18:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a suggestion on how to mention her on Race and video games? IgelRM (talk) 00:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Highlighted by CNN. Someone will probably argue with WP:NARTIST. IgelRM (talk) 19:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice catch on the CNN footage. — Maile (talk) 23:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per references provided by Megalibrarygirl, of which #3, #6, and #7 IMO are the strongest sources for WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources for WP:GNG. The other references provide more than passing mention. In the next week or two I'll try to see how much coverage the books have. I added info from the CNN video to the article. I'd also include "5 Top Black Women In STEM" in Black Enterprise as a GNG source. Nnev66 (talk) 16:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I still believe WP:GNG is met by sources in the article. For #3, it looks like BlackPast asks for sponsorships for all articles. Note Quintard Taylor sponsored a variety of pages, i.e. no reason to think the subject paid for the article. Regarding #6, which includes 300 words that are not direct quotes, GamesIndustry.biz appears to have editorial oversight and is referenced in other newspapers, i.e. seems like a reliable source. I had not originally included #2, the NPR "Tell Me More" interview by Michel Martin for GNG, but it does have 225 words of secondary independent commentary by the interviewer. I also believe 5 Top Black Women in STEM in Black Enterprise (let's call source #8 for this discussion) contributes to GNG, which is a bit over 200 words without direct quotes by subject. Note all of these sources are more than trivial mention. WP:SIGCOV doesn't give a word minimum to count towards GNG, just that the source "addresses the topic directly and in detail". Nnev66 (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - based on the sources provided, Wikipedia:Notability is met. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 00:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Katherine McBroom

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Non-notable attorney, fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Every source in the article is either primarily about a client or is a primary source, with the only other source being a local news article about the foundation of a law firm (link). WP:BEFORE search yields the sources used in the article or gossip about an unrelated person with a similar name. Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sangeeta Beniwal

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Not elected to any assembly, not have sufficient in depth coverage in news media, being a president of state commission or president of a district level party post doesn't make way for notability hence fails WP:GNG and fails WP:NPOL TheSlumPanda (talk) 18:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Appears to be a civil servant [37], but being a chair of meetings isn't quite notable. Oaktree b (talk) 22:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Poor sources on the page with no notable coverage on the subject. Per nom fails WP:NPOL. The subject does not seem to warrant a biographical page because of no significant, interesting, or unusual enough coverage to deserve attention or to be recorded as Politician. RangersRus (talk) 04:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NPOL. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 16:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jenette Maitz

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Non-notable figure skater. Only competed in two competitions: 1st place (with no other challengers) at the Turkish Figure Skating Championships and 26th place (out of 27 teams, though the 27th team was technically a withdrawal) at the 2010 World Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete Fails GNG.Canary757 (talk) 18:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I did not see WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. Only one result in Google Books which is likely a false positive (A History of Economic Thought, no online access), one result in Google Scholar which is a false positive, one result in Google News which is a one sentence mention. Eight mentions on Newspapers.com, but all are one sentence mentions on skating results or an obituary of a family member. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cristal Nell

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I am unable to find significant or independent coverage of this bridge player to meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. All I can find, except for primary sources (her own league, etc.) is an obituary and a piece that does not go in depth about her. Geschichte (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:SPORTCRIT) criteria. QEnigma talk 15:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Sinclair

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There doesn't seem to be enough independent, secondary sources that discuss Sinclair in depth. Badbluebus (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage of this individual in news media, simply being a subject matter expert in court cases isn't quite enough without coverage discussing the individual. Sourcing now is largely to court cases. Oaktree b (talk) 22:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sounds promotional more than anything, not to mention tagged for COI. Not sure what makes her worthy of an article as opposed to others in her occupation. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 04:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination and comments.Go4thProsper (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deimantė Kizalaitė

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Non-notable figure skater. No senior-level international medals; no national championship gold medals. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Marginally successful junior career and nothing of note as a senior. Sources provided are just result lists and I cannot find any significant coverage of her.

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Deborah L. Turbiville

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A person only notable for one event. And, per WP:CRIM, she is not well known, and the motivation for her crime does not appear unusual. {{Sam S|💬|✏️|ℹ️}} 04:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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•I agree that this page is not relevant and should be deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:4E3C:CC10:0:0:0:1F (talk) 04:41, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to an event-specific page. The event seems to pass WP:NCRIME guidelines, with in-depth coverage from reliable local and national news sources like CNN and NYT. While the person is not notable, I see no reason why the information about the event can't be kept. Jordano^5³ 07:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Possible targets include: History of vice in Texas, Crime in Houston, Brothel#United States, Prostitution in the United States#21st century {{Sam S|💬|✏️|ℹ️}} 04:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the first article listed to be the best, as it has more instances of specific events and incidents than the others. Fitting in this story would likely be easiest there. Jordano^5³ 06:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:CRIM. The article states that the subject was arrested, but not what happened after that. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'm not seeing WP:SUSTAINED coverage for the crime itself, just a single news cycle. This article falls under BLP1E and should not be merged anywhere. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juliana Cannarozzo

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nom. Deriannt (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not enough secondary sourcing to prove WP:GNG.TitCrisse (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Subject easily meets WP:SPORTBASIC with a couple dozen sentences of independent coverage here, not including quotes of course, as well as a half-dozen sentences of coverage here. JTtheOG (talk) 22:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: While it would be nice if there were more sources, the sources uncovered by JTtheOG contain the needed coverage to meet the WP:NBASIC as they provide in-depth coverage of the subject. Let'srun (talk) 17:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's too bad this skater couldn't follow up that coverage with any meaningful results. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandria Riordan

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Prod was removed on technical grounds (article was ineligible for prods). Anyway, I can't find any sources, current referencing is terrible. Does not seem to meet WP:GNG, not all sportspeople are encyclopedic (notable). This is just poorly referenced fan piece of OR on a non-notable person. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this is the second time that this article has been created and I still can't see any evidence of WP:SIGCOV. The best that I can find is Am-Pol Eagle, if that is a reliable source. We would need more than one source, though. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject easily meets WP:SPORTBASIC with a couple dozen sentences of independent coverage here from The Am-Pol Eagle as well as a profile here from The Press of Atlantic City. JTtheOG (talk) 23:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The sources uncovered by JTtheOG appear to contain the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG as they provide in-depth coverage of the subject. Let'srun (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, agreed with Spiderone that if the Am-Pol Eagle piece is the best we can find then GNG isn't met. The Press of Atlantic City article fails YOUNGATH, being a local interview with the subject when she was 12. JoelleJay (talk) 04:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keely Shaye Smith

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Notable mainly for being Pierce Brosnan's wife. However, notability is not inherited. All reliable references to her exist because she is Pierce Brosnan's wife.

Fails notability guideline WP:JOURNALIST --LK (talk) 09:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I've found a few non-trivial newspaper articles that aren't just about her link to Brosnan. The second one mentions their relationship but it's more about her and her own career work. 1, 2. GoldenAgeFan1 (talk) 14:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep while the article is not fully referenced there are four sources with WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. Two were noted by GoldenAgeFan1 and I found two others. While all but one mention Pierce Brosnan they are primarily about the subject. All are now in the article but were not before the AfD discussion. There may be more sources but it's difficult to find those that might be primarily about the subject given all the articles about the Brosnans as a couple. Nnev66 (talk) 02:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Novakovich, Lilana (August 21, 1989). "Food therapy for GH's Valerie". The Toronto Star – via newspapers.com.
Slewinski, Christy (December 29, 1995). "Keely Shaye Smith turns her green thumb to gold". Chicago Tribune. ProQuest 291082310 – via newspapers.com.
Fabian, Allison (January 1999). "Keely Shaye Smith putting her passion to work". New Woman. Vol. 29, no. 1. New York: Hearst Magazine Media, Inc. p. 13. ProQuest 206658619.
Tschinkel, Arielle (August 5, 2024). "Who Is Pierce Brosnan's Wife? All About Keely Shaye Brosnan". People (magazine).

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Comment found another source Close-Up | Keely Shaye Smith in Orange Coast magazine with significant coverage of the subject and no mention of Pierce Brosnan which I added to the article. This source plus the four I noted above with my keep !vote should provide enough sources for WP:GNG. Nnev66 (talk) 17:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mary-Catherine Deibel

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A local celebrity only, with an interview and an obituary in The Boston Globe. A redirect to her restaurant, Upstairs On the Square, is an option. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect All the unsourced content in nonencyclopedic voice was written by her sister and the rest doesn't establish notability for a local small-businessperson. Reywas92^Talk 14:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete. As per above. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (partial) to Upstairs On the Square, with reliable refs from bio.Djflem (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep although it needs to be reverted to the "pre-sister" version. (Sister clearly wasn't a Wikipedian.) I say this because with a merge to the restaurant it would be hard to capture some of the content. There are a fair number of local sources that could be drawn on. I emphasize local though. A local article about taking on a position after the closing of the restaurant, here can fill in a few facts about her career. Her death was covered in at least 6 local publications, and she was considered something of a feminist icon; a hint of this in G-Books because I can't see most of it. This has an emphasis on her involvement with local classical music activities. The Cambridge Day obituary provides good information. The City of Cambridge issued a resolution of condolence (short but heartfelt). I also found information that isn't included in the Upstairs On the Square article, like that they hosted an intimate after-concert dinner for U2 (and I suppose high-level fans). I'll throw a few links into the talk page of that article. Lamona (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep most of the coverage is local but the subject is considered notable in Boston. There are references in Proquest and newspapers.com with additional coverage. I’ll add some of them this week. Nnev66 (talk) 23:34, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I added references to the article. Note most are WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources, with the exception of the Baskin interview and All Things Considered piece. While most are in Boston/Cambridge sources, this is not surprisingly since her notability originates from her restaurant and community service in Cambridge. One source is in the trade journal Nation's Restaurant News. Nnev66 (talk) 02:53, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge or redirect to Upstairs On the Square. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viktoriya Adiyeva

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Disputed PROD. Fails significant coverage criteria. Editor who disputed the PROD said there are lots of sources but did not add anything to the article and I can not find anything that would amount to significant coverage. Shrug02 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only find Fandom sites and wiki mirrors, none of which are notable. The one source used in the article is a listing only. I don't find enough sourcing to use for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 23:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 19:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Absolutely non-notable. MisterWizzy (talk) 11:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see what @Flibirigit: (deproder, searching on Google returns multiple Russian and Kazakhstan-language sources available to expand her biography) found before deleting this three-time Asian Games gold medalist and Olympian. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11 me too but as I said above, they made the statement, added nothing to the article and I cannot find the content they refer to. If I could've then I would've added it myself. They have also been totally silent in the nine days since I AFDed this article. Shrug02 (talk) 20:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Like the others in this discussion, I couldn't find anything that could be used to show notability for this BLP. Without WP:SIGCOV, this subject does not meet the WP:GNG. Participating in the Olympics or any other competition is irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion. Let'srun (talk) 20:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Russian Wikipedia she was Master of Sports of International Class of the Republic of Kazakhstan [ru], a title which appears to be the highest honor for Kazakh sportspeople, which arguably would pass WP:ANYBIO. She was also vice captain of the national team and seems to have been considered one of the most prominent players on it. Unless there's evidence that some Kazakh newspaper was searched from her time period, I'd lean towards keeping. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I'm missing something there, there isn't a cited source for that claim. Let'srun (talk) 15:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I wonder if a redirect could be possible at all. There seems to be a chance that she is notable but nobody has come forward with any Russian language sources that may or may not exist. But I'm not sure what that target would be? Adamtt9 (talk) 16:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I've found several sources that imply Adiyeva/Mussatayeva was a prominent member of the Kazakh national team and appears to have been a player with whom the public was familiar (1, 2, 3, 4). Her career with Aisulu Almaty – Kazakhstan's most successful women's club team – spanned well over a decade. Despite her apparent importance as a figure in Kazakh women's hockey, I've had the same difficulty as other respondents with finding substantial coverage. The transliteration of her name poses a hurdle for sourcing in English, as I’ve encountered a broad number of transliterations: Viktoriya/Viktoria Adyeva/Adiyeva/Adyyeva Mussatayeva/Musatayeva/Musataeva. In Cyrillic, her married surname is also spelled differently between Russian and Kazakh – Russian Виктория Мусатаева versus Kazakh Виктория Мұсатаева (source). I haven’t found a reliable source for her maiden name in Kazakh, which is another limiting factor.
The Russian Wikipedia article at ru:Мусатаева, Виктория Назымовна is more content-rich than the English language article but its sourcing is also poor.
All this to say, I feel this is very likely a person for whom substantial coverage exists in Kazakh and Russian printed sources but I conceede that, without those sources, she is unlikely to pass GNG. Spitzmauskc (talk) 18:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I had also tried to search the archives of Kazakh newspapers (sports.kz, kazpravda) using her Cyrillic name and didn't come across anything more substantial. If actual coverage can be found this page can easily be recreated, but at this moment it totally fails SPORTCRIT. JoelleJay (talk) 02:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nathalie Beasnael

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While it has been improved from its poor state after creation by a subsequently blocked sock, this is still a WP:PROMO biography for a non-notable individual. Sources are limited to:

The subject's own writing and thus WP:PRIMARYSOURCEs ([38], [39], [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46])
WP:PRSOURCEs ([47], [48])
Churnalism based on interviews solely with or statements solely by the author (and thus also primary sources) ([49], [50])
Primary source official bios ([51], [52])
A WP:TRIVIALMENTION ([53])

Meanwhile, the awards she has received are not of the kind to qualify her as notable under WP:ANYBIO. Nothing qualifying came up in a WP:BEFORE search. Bottom line: fails WP:NBIO, WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I had the same concerns while editing the article recently. Ligaturama (talk) 09:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. El Beeblerino ^{if you're not into the whole brevity thing} 23:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rachel McLean (writer)

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inexplicably declined - despite no evidence of notability - being a "kindle author" is meaningless in the absence of actual meaningful coverage, of which there is none. GRINCHIDICAE🎄 21:30, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - (As I had to go and look to work out what you meant by 'Inexplicably declined'...) Your nomination for a speedy deletion was declined, with the perfectly clear explanation that "the Kindle award is enough to get past an A7, and the article is not promotional". Speedy Deletion is for a very strictly determined subset of articles. JeffUK 15:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Doesn't meet WP:GNG, the Amazon source is not neutral, and the bookseller source alone isn't sufficient. There are a few mentions around of McLean attending book signings and the like, but they're also not really neutral as it's a commercial engagement being advertised. JeffUK 15:29, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unclear - it's certainly not speedy delete-able because there's an allegation of notability and some coverage although debatable whether it's significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 05:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it meets sustained coverage, the Amazon article is not neutral, the Bookseller article is an just reporting on the exact same award (So even though it's more neutral, it's not sustained coverage) The only other article in a very very local paper about 'author signs books at local library' is around the time of the Amazon award (again, not sustained coverage). I just don't think it meets the test. Mostly there's just not enough here for us to write an article with. JeffUK 10:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, delete then. Bearian (talk) 15:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: She seems to have different names/pseudonyms, I've found a few more sources that way and incorporated more info (edit: + over a wider range of years) but unsure if it's enough. – Starklinson 10:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep per WP:HEY. Better sourcing than the version that was submitted to AfD, but admittedly I'm unsure whether the added sources pushes the subject solidly into the notable category. I'd err toward keep than delete here. Madeleine961 (talk) 19:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I don't see any critical reviews for any of this individual's books when I search. What's used in the article doesn't appear to be RS, mostly blogs. This writer seems to give advice on how to self publish in the few sources I've found. [54], seems to be in independent author, so that could explain the lack of much critical coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 22:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing in Gscholar or Jstor either, appears to be a prolific writer though. Some sources says "award-winning author", but I don't know how much weight that carries. I don't see any awards won that I recognize, anyway. Oaktree b (talk) 22:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe being self-published isn't itself an arbiter of notability or lack thereof. It can be harder to get coverage that way, though it seems there's more coverage in The Bookseller than I previously thought based on newer edits. Starklinson (talk) 14:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Netta Schreiber

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Believe she does satisfy notability. Actually not sure what the issue is about the article. MaskedSinger (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tulika Mehrotra

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Do not pass WP:AUTHOR or even WP:BASIC ― ☪ Kapudan Pasha (🧾 - 💬) 18:18, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've added a book review from Vogue India and an article from The Hindu on her books. Not too familiar with the English-language media landscape throughout India, but I think there's a good chance there is sufficient coverage that would make this pass WP:NAUTHOR (e.g., book reviews), especially considering the books were published by Penguin (one of the Big Five publishers). Bridget (talk) 01:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bridget Thank you for your efforts. I also conducted a search for relevant sources initially, but I did not find them to meet the notability criteria. Both sources are primarily interview-based descriptions. The piece in Vogue India is a one-time article by Ridhima Sud, and the The Hindu article also revolves around an interview. Neither of these, on their own, can establish notability. While publishing with Penguin is a significant accomplishment, it alone does not satisfy the notability requirements according to Wikipedia's standards. ― ☪ Kapudan Pasha (🧾 - 💬) 15:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:AUTHOR, interviews are not RS. Deriannt (talk) 19:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've added a reference for her job (chief digital officer) and her marriage. I doubt they will make much difference. I'm not casting a vote on this one. Knitsey (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Logan Brown (pregnant man)

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I feel like this is a BLP1E. This person doesn't seem to have been notable before they got pregnant, and the only coverage is of their appearance on a magazine cover. Valereee (talk) 16:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per OP. This article is barely a stub, and effectively only says "this exists." WP:BLP1E is absolutely relevant, there's nothing else this article could expand to with the current coverage. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 18:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've expanded the article, which now includes a much wider range of sources, and a review of their book, and other work Lajmmoore (talk) 20:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment/s to address BLP1E, I think the book, and more recent coverage of them shifts the article away from "notable for one event". also, i wonder if the article name should change - rather than (pregnant man) perhaps (activist) or (author) - as he's not pregnant now! Lajmmoore (talk) 20:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of this resolves the BLP1E issue. He is entirely known for this one event in his life. That's it. Publishing his own book does not alleviate the fact that all the sourcing is about this one aspect of his life. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 21:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, clear WP:BLP1E. Astaire (talk) 15:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep he had international coverage: [55]; [56]; [57]; [58]; [59]. LIrala (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"International coverage" does not save this from being a WP:BLP1E. To quote from that policy:

1. Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. - true, all sources are about the pregnancy.

2. The person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. - true, no evidence of high-profile activities outside of the pregnancy.

3. The event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. - true, the chance that a single pregnancy is significant enough to deserve its own article is slim to none. Astaire (talk) 10:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Astaire - while most sources are related the Glamour cover feature - this one is about the book and the Manchester Evening News is a more recent interview, so not quite all Lajmmoore (talk) 20:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The book is about the pregnancy, and the Manchester Evening News interview is also largely about the pregnancy (as well as a modeling campaign which happened because of the pregnancy). Astaire (talk) 10:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments. I do remember the famous magazine cover. There has only been one news article published about him since he gave birth. I'm not sure that's significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 03:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 15 articles from around the world linked in the article and in here. Will add from these. --Shelter3 (talk) 05:36, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I would have probably voted keep but WP:BLP1E is pretty clear --FMSky (talk) 21:22, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Brown is an activist and a social worker and not only had a child while a man but wrote two books. Agree with Lajmmoore, the article name should change to (activist) so WP:BLP1E will no longer be an issue: Brown continues to be active for trans rights and the queer community in a country that's slower on their rights than the U.S. even though they have universal health care. Glamour UK interviewer even said in June 2023 "In the UK, there's a lot of transphobia at the moment" --Shelter3 (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shelter3: you voted twice --FMSky (talk) 22:44, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The second was a response to you really. Not sure how I would've updated my first vote. Don't assume the worst! Shelter3 (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of this comment speaks to notability as defined by Wikipedia. There are thousands of people who are activists, social workers, or authors who are not notable enough for their own Wikipedia page. To overcome the WP:BLP1E issue, we need reliable sources with significant coverage in a context beyond the pregnancy. Astaire (talk) 22:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

comment just a reminder that merge is also a possible outcome, as outlined at WP:BLP1E: "In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article." Lajmmoore (talk) 20:59, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's do that. Could you do that or another editor? Shelter3 (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would require identifying a target article to merge into, and proposing that as an alternative to deletion. Frankly, I cannot think of a valid merge target. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 14:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
their partners article could work Lajmmoore (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. The changes to the article since nomination has shown continued coverage through this year. Bearian (talk) 03:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "continued coverage" is still only about his pregnancy. That doesn't fix the BLP1E problem. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 13:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Any news coverage is from June 2023, then zero coverage... Could maybe redirect to an article about the cover itself, that has coverage. This individual isn't... Some discussion in religious media [60], showing some critical analysis, but it's all from June 2023. Nothing has happened since. Oaktree b (talk) 20:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Any news coverage is from June 2023, then zero coverage... Could maybe redirect to an article about the cover itself, that has coverage. This individual isn't... Some discussion in religious media [61], showing some critical analysis, but it's all from June 2023. Nothing has happened since. Oaktree b (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not correct to say there is "zero coverage" outside 2023, there are articles on his book and more recent career from 2024 (references 6 and 11) Lajmmoore (talk) 21:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I agree that this is a case of WP:BLP1E. All the sources provided are about the subject's pregnancy, and there's no evidence of high-profile activities outside said pregnancy.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Bailey J Mills - his partner is notable and I think much of Brown's article could be re-worked into a longer personal life section Lajmmoore (talk) 21:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Bailey J Mills per Lajmmoore. Procyon117 (talk) 16:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kamna Pathak

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Looking at the sources, it does not pass WP:GNG even. Mostly all the sources available on google are discussing her replacement in a notable show, see [62], [63], [64]. Taabii (talk) 13:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Happu_Ki_Ultan_Paltan#Cast: as the nominator indicates she is best known for that role and coverage attesting of that exists. -Mushy Yank. 10:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Happu_Ki_Ultan_Paltan#Cast. Not opposed to Delete. RangersRus (talk) 14:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The actress has worked in multiple notable TV shows, a primary Google search results indicate significant coverage in reliable sources. Zuck28 (talk) 15:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zuck28 Thanks for your comment, for a better understanding i appreciate you to please present those RS here? Happy editing. Taabii (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a few sources and updated the article, I will try to improve to the article in my free time.

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Keep: Now adequately sourced.--Ipigott (talk) 08:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ipigott Most of the sources are Interviews, kindly check it. — Taabii (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are quite poor and not independent of the subject with claims and interviews. Subject fails the criteria for WP:NACTOR who did not have significant roles in "multiple" notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. RangersRus (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The sources are reliable, and the subject is well-researched with verifiable claims.

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Redirect to Happu_Ki_Ultan_Paltan#Cast: Has only one notable role, so it's more appropriate to redirect, fails WP:NACTOR. I'm also open to deletion, as most sources are interviews (decent coverage, yet do not establish notability).--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 18:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No valid secondary sources to prove WP:GNG. TitCrisse (talk) 02:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find anything but interviews for this lady. No independent coverage. She has acted in one TV show, and what looks like an extra(?) in a film. I have done a search (searches from the UK aren't always good these days), I would be happy to re-evaluate my vote if idependent sources can be found. At the moment, this article doesn't demonstrate it complies with WP:GNG.Knitsey (talk) 16:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect I agree it should be Redirect to Happu_Ki_Ultan_Paltan#Cast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hendrea44 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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