Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 30
October 30
Category:Conspiracy theories promoted by Elon Musk
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Conspiracy theories promoted by Elon Musk ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of any of these articles. This category only seems to exist because there is a similar one regarding Donald Trump, who held a much more important position and makes the conspiracy theories in that category a big part of his political appeal. In contrast, this category is effectively just trivia. Note that the articles in this category only mention Musk for a sentence or two, if they even mention him at all. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Conspiracy theories can be promoted by anyone, but that is not defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as non-defining. Actually, I'm also skeptical (to a lesser extent) of the Donald Trump equivalent of this category. Pichpich (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Textbook WP:OPINIONCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ice planets in fiction
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. charlotte 👸♥ 20:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Ice planets in fiction to Category:Works set on ice planets
- Nominator's rationale: Should be renamed to be a part of Category:Works set in outer space since it mostly consists of works, not articles about planets. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, category convention. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support to be the same as other related categories. Jontesta (talk) 23:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Marvel Comics planets
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Marvel Comics planets to Category:Fictional planets
- Nominator's rationale: Only two actual articles here, should also be dual merged to Category:Marvel Comics locations. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge I just removed a redirect to an article that is also in the category, Ego the Living Planet. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Fictional planets, and add any Marvel locations to Category:Marvel Comics locations. Jontesta (talk) 23:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedians who like The Amazing Digital Circus and Category:Wikipedians by interest in a web series
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. charlotte 👸♥ 20:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose keeping Category:Wikipedians who like The Amazing Digital Circus ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose keeping Category:Wikipedians by interest in a web series ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Wikipedians by interest in a television series exists, and I don't see why it would be a bad idea to have a separate category for web series, which may include web series that don't exactly count as TV shows. On the other hand, I don't think I can come up with an argument against the deletion of the TADC category that's better than "Some people might use this userbox one day", so I might be more willing to concede with regards to that one.
These categories were nominated for speedy deletion by Liz a few days ago on the grounds that they're empty. However, if I put both of them up for discussion, then by my understanding, they may no longer be eligible for speedy deletion anymore, though deletion itself remains on the table. This is the first time I've tried to open a category discussion, so I might be going about all of this the wrong way. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment MrPersonHumanGuy, why would you start a week-long discussion on an empty category? It's just going to close as Delete, the same result of a CSD C1 tagging. And Category:Wikipedians by interest in a web series was just tagged for CSD C1 because all it contained was an empty category. A CFD discussion will not change this, with CSD C1, what will stop speedy deletion is for the categories to simply not be empty any longer. That doesn't require a discussion and we don't retain empty categories just because they might be needed in the future. If they are empty for a week, they are deleted. If they are needed in the future, they are simply recreated with no issues, either by an editor or by going to WP:REFUND. Easy peasey. Liz Read! Talk! 18:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fair points. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete On both procedural and substantive grounds. Procedurally, what Liz said. Substantively, this tree (as well as most of the Category:Wikipedians by interest in a television series tree which I haven't been brave enough to nominate) fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function - categorizing people for what they like is irrelevant social media fannishness, not encyclopedic. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- With the argument you've provided, a case could be reasonably made to delete Category:Wikipedians by interest along with its entire subcategory tree. In fact, it has been nominated for deletion in the past, but contributors back then voted to keep it. This happened over 17 years ago, so a brand new nomination may yield completely different results, although the task of manually tagging each and every category in that tree may take all day. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 13:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as empty and per Pppery. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ecumenopolises
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. charlotte 👸♥ 20:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ecumenopolises to Category:Fictional planets
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains a couple of actual articles. A bit too small to merit existence, should be multi-merged into "megastructures" and "fictional populated places" if necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Put the main article in Category:Megastructures and delete the category. A hypothetical concept has little to do with fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete fictional category and place Ecumenopolis into Category:Megastructures as a hypothetical, real science concept. Jontesta (talk) 23:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Smooth Network presenters
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6#Category:Smooth Network presenters
Category:Non-scientific hypothetical planets
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Pseudoastronomy. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Non-scientific hypothetical planets to Category:Fictional planets
- Nominator's rationale: So are we saying these planets are fake, or aren't we? If they aren't real, they would be fiction. If they might be real, they should be in the parent category. Either way, the current name is WP:SUBJECTIVECAT and shouldn't remain where it is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- The distinction is that a fictional planet is presented in a work of ostensible fiction, and it is accepted by all that it does not really exist. These hypothetical planets are presented as if they are real, and are sometimes accepted by their audience as existing planets, despite the lack of evidence or theoretical justification. RandomCritic (talk) 19:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, or else rename to something like Category:Assumed planets. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- They aren't really "assumed planets" either, besides either a small fringe group or people in the ancient past. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Pseudoastronomy. Most other categories seem to distinguish fiction from pseudoscience, e.g. Category:Fictional characters and Category:Nonexistent people, so we should keep that distinction here. However, Helatrobus is a galactic empire, leaving only four potentially valid items that aren't redirects to Planetary objects proposed in religion, astrology, ufology and pseudoscience: Counter-Earth, Kolob, Nibiru cataclysm, and Oliblish. Two of those are sometimes described as stars, and Nibiru is sometimes claimed to be a brown dwarf. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that this is a better merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I also agree that Category:Pseudoastronomy is a better merge target. Hypothetical (pseudo)scientific planets should be distinguished from planets invented for novels, movies, and games. Jontesta (talk) 23:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Feminism and transgender
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- The result of the discussion was: rename and purge. charlotte 👸♥ 20:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Feminism and transgender to Category:Feminism and transgender topics
- Nominator's rationale: The current title, comparing a noun to an adjective, reads awkwardly, and "transgender topics" is usually preferred to "transgenderism" as a noun form. During previous discussions on Category talk:Feminism and transgender to move it to Category:Feminist views on transgender topics, this alternative was supported by multiple editors, although a formal move request wasn't opened until now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: However this is named, the biographical articles need to be split or purged per WP:COPSEP. --woodensuperman 15:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with recent discussion about Category:Transgender topics. I suspect most biographies can be purged per WP:OPINIONCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Buildings and structures in Andover, Vermont
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, makes navigation between buildings and structures in Windsor County more difficult. AusLondonder (talk) 14:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Andover, Vermont. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Gilman, Illinois
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. charlotte 👸♥ 20:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Gilman, Illinois ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article about a small town and a train station, which is already mentioned at the main article. Both are already appropriately categorised. AusLondonder (talk) 13:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:North Druid Hills, Georgia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. charlotte 👸♥ 20:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:North Druid Hills, Georgia ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article, a road, and a redirect to another road. All those articles are already appropriately categorised. An eponymous category is unnecessary. AusLondonder (talk) 13:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedia:GLAM/TP participants (staff)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. charlotte 👸♥ 20:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is C2D for the most part. Gonnym (talk) 13:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have no issue with the renaming if the new name better fits the standard for GLAM staff participation. Do other GLAMs involved in Wiki GLAM projects here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Projects also have staff contributor categories? Einebillion (talk) 21:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Children of Clint Eastwood
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6#Category:Children of Clint Eastwood
Category:Children of Charlie Chaplin
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6#Category:Children of Charlie Chaplin
Category:Wives of Charlie Chaplin
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6#Category:Wives of Charlie Chaplin
Category:1500 V DC multiple units of New South Wales
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6#Category:1500 V DC multiple units of New South Wales
Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Victoria (state)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 6#Category:1500 V DC multiple units of Victoria (state)
Category:List of Clinics in South Africa
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. charlotte 👸♥ 20:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:List of Clinics in South Africa ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: I suspect this was intended as an article space list of clinics in South Africa. As a category, it doesn't make sense unless we retitle it Category:Lists of clinics in South Africa (note the plural) but such a category would presumably include no article other than List of hospitals in South Africa (and even that one is questionable as a hospital and a clinic are different things). Pichpich (talk) 01:51, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PichpichIt was meant as a category since we don't have any categorising clinics in South Africa. Maybe we can rename it to Clinics in South Africa or South African clinics. Bobbyshabangu talk 02:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right. Then it should be Category:Clinics in South Africa but is there a need for that? Is there really a number of articles about South African clinics? There is Category:Clinics but the national subcategories all have at least three entries. Pichpich (talk) 02:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PichpichIt was meant as a category since we don't have any categorising clinics in South Africa. Maybe we can rename it to Clinics in South Africa or South African clinics. Bobbyshabangu talk 02:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and move article Witkoppen Clinic to Category:Clinics, it is apparently too early to start this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and move article as per Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 12:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. I've boldly added cats in Witkoppen Clinic. --Lenticel (talk) 01:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Baseball pitching
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. charlotte 👸♥ 20:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Baseball pitching to Category:Pitching (baseball)
- Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C; opposed at speedy a reason I didn't really understand. matches sister category Category:Batting (baseball). Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the opposition at speedy, there is only one category in this form so far, namely Category:Batting (baseball), so it is not an established convention. But I do not have an opinion on the rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, there are a few more with the "(baseball)" dab like this but I understand the objection now. Thanks. Omnis Scientia (talk) 04:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given this was opposed at speedy, I am relisting to give extra time for objections.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support to match the format of Category:Batting (baseball). Pichpich (talk) 01:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 01:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People from Ivangorod
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Narva. charlotte 👸♥ 20:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:People from Ivangorod to Category:People from Kingiseppsky District
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge per FL below. Apparently the article was wrongly categorized. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alt merge to Category:People from Narva. The article was partly corrected by Kaliforniyka (talk · contribs) in 2015,[1] but the incorrect category has remained until now. – Fayenatic London 11:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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