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Pre-statehood Colorado categories

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge/rename. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: If kept, rename to Foo in Colorado Territory because Colorado did not become a state until 1876. However, a single-redirect category is not helpful for navigation. Merge to Category:1874 in Colorado Territory, and redirect Category:1874 in Colorado to Category:1874 in Colorado Territory as a {{R from category navigation}}. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 20:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Homosexual concentration camp survivors

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The result of the discussion was: rename HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category to use the more inclusive and commonly used term of LGBT. The rename would also be more consistent with the other Nazi era category (Category:LGBT people in the Nazi Party‎) Mason (talk) 20:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Missouri elections before Missouri was a state

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The result of the discussion was: delete and merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: If kept, rename all to Foo in Missouri Territory because Missouri was not a state yet. However, a tree entirely composed of single-redirect categories is not helpful for navigation, and should be merged to the respective "[Year] in Missouri Territory" categories. (Category:1814 Missouri elections has two redirects, but the principle stands.) Delete two other categories which will become empty once all of their children categories are merged. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 20:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Washington (state) categories

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The result of the discussion was: delete and merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: First, Washington (state) did not become a state until 1889, so these categories are redundant to the corresponding Washington Territory. However, this entire mini-tree is just to categorize two redirects, so we only need to move them the appropriate "[Year] in Washington Territory" categories and delete the tree. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 19:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Parks and lakes in Jakarta

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The result of the discussion was: split. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Badly-named category that crosses two different types of things. No other category for either parks or lakes anywhere else in the world merges the two things into one shared category, and there's no reason why Jakarta's parks and lakes would have a uniquely Jakarta-specific need for different handling from everywhere else. In fact, this was originally at just "parks", and then got moved to this divergent name several years ago without any particular explanation given as to why such a thing would have been needed. Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Missouri Territory

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Missouri did not exist until 1821; beforehand, it was the Missouri Territory. Merge to reflect this, and keep redirects as {{R from template-generated category}}s {{R from category navigation}}. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 14:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC) (corrected rcat at 20:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC))[reply]
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Category:LGBT men artists

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 28#Category:LGBT men artists

Category:Princes in Germany

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Princes in the German Empire and purge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename for clarification that it is not about people after World War I, and to align with Category:People from the German Empire. Also check entries manually: if they do not belong here, they are likely to belong in Category:Princes of the Holy Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename. ETA: Also support purge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, shouldn't there be one for the German Confederation era between the Holy Roman Empire and German Empire? Just a thought. I know there was a brief North German Confederation but that was essentially a brief version of what became the united German Empire. The main big one was between the two empires was the German Confederation. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom SFBB (talk) 10:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dutch princes

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Princes of the Netherlands and purge. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:43, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: this previous discussion was about Fooian princes or princes of Foo, but we certainly do not need them both. Purge entries that aren't about princes in the Netherlands and merge the two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Omnis Scientia, SFBB, and Hey man im josh: pinging contributors to previous discussion. See also discussion right above this one. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename. ETA: also support purge. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom SFBB (talk) 10:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pig breeds originating from Indigenous Americans

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The result of the discussion was: merge HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, one-article categories are not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Breeds originating from Indigenous Americans

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The result of the discussion was: merge HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:42, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. I also think the current category name is confusing/hard to parse. Mason (talk) 14:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Multiple citizenship

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 28#Category:Multiple citizenship

Category:Philippine Sports Commission

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 28#Category:Philippine Sports Commission

Category:Pyramids and bipyramids

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: split. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are two different classes of shapes that shouldn't be lumped together. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tamil priests

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Tamil people. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think we should broaden the category to all clergy rather than the narrower priests. (I am not opposed to upmerging for now, given that this category has only one person in it) Mason (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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AFD topic-sorting subcategories

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The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I originally brought this up here and nobody seemed to have any objection to moving forward or any reason why these are still useful, so here we are.
These categories are redundant to deletion sorting, which provides much more fine-grained sorting and is built in to scripts such as Twinkle. Their utility was clear in the past before deletion sorting became both commonplace and simple to do, but now they are just an unneeded extra step in the process. It is my guess that the only reason they are still in use is that these same tools require it as part of the nomination process. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is no archive for closed discussions in these categories. They also overlap in scope, and their format does not support the overlap, unlike delsort. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It is my understanding that any given deletion discussion may appear on more than one category page. If this is correct, then the overlap makes topics relevant to one's interest and expertise easier to find. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Beşiktaş J.K. players

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: convert to a intermediate layer. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 14:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This should be an intermediate layer in Category:Beşiktaş J.K., not a disambig category. This football club has several branches for other sports. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LaundryPizza03: for clarity, are you saying it should be deleted and then made into an intermediate layer, or are you saying that it should be converted into a layer without deleting, and you just took it to CfD for consensus? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter, the end result is the same. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dominican Republic people of European American descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 02:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Weird and confusing name. Looking at the content of this category, it seems that this is not intended for Dominicans with ancestry in the U.S., as the parent categories would indicate, (for which we have Dominican Republic people of American descent) but in fact Dominicans from the local population of largely colonial European background, which is called the White Dominicans. José Ignacio Paliza is an example of that. Deletion is also an option. Place Clichy (talk) 16:04, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 June 6
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, * Pppery * it has begun... 21:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am going to ping all of the participants at the DRV thread.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above dicussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery, Iñaki Salazar, Marcocapelle, SportingFlyer, Extraordinary Writ, Stifle, Polygnotus, and Alalch E.: please share your thoughts. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Thanks for the ping. I have shared my thoughts here but I will repost them here for convenience:
Why should Wikipedia categorize people based on their ancestry? We don't know the ancestry of 99% of BLP subjects. For example, Category:Dominican Republic people of African American descent contains Max Puig who is also in the category Category:Dominican Republic people of Italian descent. But he is also in Dominican Republic people of Catalan descent, Dominican Republic people of Haitian descent, People of Ligurian descent, Dominican Republic people of Dutch descent and Dominican Republic people of Turks and Caicos Islands descent... Who gives a shit? We should remove this information about non-notable people. Do we really want to list everyone's ancestry for thousands of generations until everyone is from Africa? This obsession is unhealthy and insane. We have no reliable sources that give detailed information on the ancestry of anyone alive today, unless perhaps if you are a Habsburger or similar (and even in that case we only know a fragment). It is weird and potentially offensive to label people incorrectly based on flimsy evidence, notoriously unreliable amateur genealogical research and looks. Why do we not require sources for categorization? Just categorize people on their nationality/nationalities if there are reliable sources. Polygnotus (talk) 01:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_20