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Category:Miss Intercontinental

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:11, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per deletion of List of Miss Intercontinental titleholders. Previously deleted but the consensus was sufficiently weak than I'm not willing to press the G4 button, so here we go. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:John Brown sites

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC. Pruning to remove sites (such as Springdale, Iowa) which are not directly related to Brown is needed as well. User:Namiba 23:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank you for the correction.--User:Namiba 23:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1998 European Women's Handball Championship

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 10#Category:1998 European Women's Handball Championship


Category:Buildings and structures in Kara, Togo

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contains only two articles and cannot be populated further. User:Namiba 21:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, why can it not be populated further? —2A02:1811:1C81:2900:966:8153:865D:6782 (talk) 21:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because there are no other articles about buildings and structures in Kara, Togo which I could find. If there are more, please populate it.--User:Namiba 22:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Action horror video games

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is more dependent on subcategories than articles, and only has one article at the moment, being Kenseiden. I don't see action horror video game being a true legitimate genre, and many horror games already consider to fall under the action games genre anyway. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 17:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Defunct National Premier Soccer League stadiums

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The NPSL is a low-level soccer league and none of these stadiums are defined by hosting it. User:Namiba 17:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:21st-century members of the Maine Legislature

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. The Bushranger One ping only 00:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Candidates are not elected to the Maine Legislature; they are elected to either the Maine House of Representatives or the Maine Senate. All of those in this category were elected to the House. User:Namiba 17:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think those are useful to keep. The issue is that User:Jevansen (tagging so they can respond) created a wide number of categories today which are inconsistent. Some are for specific bodies, i.e. Category:21st-century members of the Iowa General Assembly and some for legislatures as a whole. This may need to be a wider discussion.--User:Namiba 20:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks for the notification. All the subcats in Category:21st-century American legislators are for the bicameral legislatures of the state governments, encompassing members of both houses. I didn't think the naming structure ("members") would be an issue given that the parent is Category:Members of bicameral legislatures of country subdivisions. We also have articles presented in the same way eg Members of the California State Legislature (should probably be a list). At any rate, I'm happy to further diffuse each by the individual house if that is preferred? Jevansen (talk) 20:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with withdrawing this for now, though I do think dividing them on a House/Senate level is preferred for bicameral legislatures.--User:Namiba 15:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is something I can do. Just let me give it a bit of time before beginning the task as I've already upset at least one user due to watchlist overload. Jevansen (talk) 23:24, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Category-Class Comics articles of NA-importance

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Category-Class Comics articles Fram (talk) 15:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional gnomes

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 13#Category:Fictional gnomes

Category:Single seat helicopters

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 13#Category:Single seat helicopters

Category:Novels about adultery

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Novels about infidelity. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This would mirror Category:Films about infidelity, and allows for the inclusion of novels on the theme that are about infidelity outside of marriage. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 17:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 05:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:National artists of Thailand

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:National Artists (Thailand). The Bushranger One ping only 09:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I previously raised objection to the decapitalisation of the category title at WT:CFD, though the reversion process seems to have fallen through the cracks. Anyway, as I mentioned in that discussion, the National Artist title is an award, and directly using the award title for the category does feel a bit unnatural. To compare, we don't refer to Academy Award "Best Actors", but "Best Actor winners". Renaming the category as proposed would better reflect the nature of the title, i.e. its being an award, not a job. Paul_012 (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I think the proposed form matches the general preference at CfD to follow the article title, though I personally dislike parenthesis in category titles when natural disambiguation is possible. So I'll also list Category:National Artist of Thailand awardees, Category:National Artist awardees of Thailand, Category:Thai National Artist awardees, and Category:Thailand National Artist awardees as alternative suggestions. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus favors a rename, though no clear consensus on what the new name should be. In particular, thoughts on Josh's comment (which would imply lowercase-a "National artist")?
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  • (Reply to relisting comment) I think there's agreement on Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees. Hey man im josh's comment was in favour of lower-case national artists if the term is in plural, but the original proposal is not affected by this. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose regarding Category:National Artist (Thailand) awardees since it's not an ordinary award (or even an ordinary honorary award), it's an honorary title given by the state (see National Artist or similar honorary titles like People's Artist and Honored Artist/Merited Artist). If we look at the current category names for this kind of title (Category:People's_Artists, Category:Honored Artists, and Category:Merited Artists, which also would be affected by this discussion, I believe), most have the form "... Artists of country" (for many the article title matches that but not for all), a few have the lower-case variant of that ("... artists of country"), and one has the form "Recipients of the title of Merited Artist of country". If we want to avoid the plural, I would support something along the lines of the last form ("Recipients of the title of x", where x can match the article title); "awardees" is very uncommon in general (basically not used atm, see search) and seems like a particularly odd choice for recipients of a title.
    If we want to have something closer to the current naming scheme (i.e. a plural form), I think the question is whether honorary titles fall under "Positions, offices, and occupational titles". I could not find a answer in discussions on that (I have seen some discussion about the (honorary) title of "Fellow", where it was argued that this could be interpreted as a position within a society, but I think that applies to this current discussion not as much), but it seems to me like all the examples in WP:JOBTITLES are very much occupation related (and that this was the intent behind this guideline), which the honors discussed here are clearly not. If we believe that honorary titles fall under WP:JOBTITLES, then arguments based on the specificity of the title would be irrelevant, since that is is not a reason to capitalize it per WP:JOBTITLES. Similarly, the argument that "National Artist" is a proper noun and that this leads to the plural being a proper noun (and capitalized) as well wouldn't work since there seems to be a consensus that such plural forms of titles are, in fact, not proper nouns and always capitalized (see Talk:List of presidents of the United States/Archive 13#Requested move 27 July 2019), and honestly, if "Presidents of the United States" is not considered a proper noun, then "National Artists" definitely isn't either. So, if we decide that WP:JOBTITLES does indeed apply to honorary titles, I think the lower-case plural is a given. If we decide that honorary titles do not fall under "Positions, offices, and occupational titles", then we still have MOS:PEOPLETITLES as a guideline, which doesn't say anything about plurals (although something is implied by an individual's name). I think the proper nouns argument would still lead to lower-case plural, but the consensus and arguments were specifically in reference to WP:JOBTITLES, so who knows. Felida97 (talk) 03:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is already too long, but I want to note a more general consideration (and potential argument for a capitalized plural despite MOS:JOBTITLES) that I came across when thinking about this discussion, and that is the fact that categories are obv inherently different from articles in various ways (and have a kind of special/particular function), and it may be debatable to what extent an article guideline like WP:JOBTITLES (or style guidelines, such as the Chicago Manual of Style, that are frequently referenced in style discussions) should apply to categories or category names (I'm not sure whether there is a nice analog equivalent for those). Or are categories perhaps so distinct/special in their structure/purpose that one could argue to have different rules for certain aspects? One aspect where this is already the case is that article titles generally should be singular in form (see WP:SINGULAR), whereas names of set categories are generally plural, which totally makes sense because of the different structure and function compared with articles. But, as I said, this is more general consideration. Felida97 (talk) 03:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awardees is just what I came up with off the top of my head, so I'm open to other suggestions. But Category:Recipients of the title of National Artist of Thailand does seem rather unwieldy. RevelationDirect and Hey man im josh, what do you think? --Paul_012 (talk) 05:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with either of those. I acknowledge I could be wrong about "Artists", but it does seem that pluralizing the title would result in MOS:JOBTITLES applying, so whatever is done to get around that I'm fine with. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's true (although in this instance it would be Category:Recipients of the title of National Artist (Thailand) to match the article title, right? [side note: I noticed that some of these titles have the "of country" part in the official title, but the Thailand one does not afaict, so the article title National Artist (Thailand) is not necessarily wrong and matching it was supported by all, I think]). My suggestion is also not that common atm (four cats), but that is because almost all category names for this kind of honor use the plural (here's another similar title: Category:Hero (title); same for Category:Honorary titles of the United Kingdom, Category:Honorary titles of Russia or Category:Honorary titles of the Holy See), and afaics, "Recipients of the title of..." is the most common (and only non-plural) alternative (and "Recipients of ..." seems to be common for other official state honors). Given the implications for quite a few categories and since our current direction here goes so clearly against the overwhelming majority of names, this honorary-titles-JOBTITLES-plural-capitalization issue probably should be discussed under wider participation to settle it (especially since a good portion of those plural names is currently wrong and should be corrected anyway, no matter what the correct form is), right? Felida97 (talk) 02:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Felida97's latest comment (suggesting Category:Recipients of the title of National Artist (Thailand))?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It's not typical to extend a discussion for so long, but I think this is the situation to do it. Would like to see if there's more agreement on a certain name.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 05:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Origin stories

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 16#Category:Origin stories

Category:Wikipedia Medcab category cases

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The result of the discussion was: delete. SilverLocust 💬 01:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not even sure what this category is doing. The word "category" does not appear in its only member, Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-27 Anti-Canadianism. That page is already in Category:Wikipedia Medcab closed cases, so we can delete this category. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Plant cognition

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The result of the discussion was: keep and no rename (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per the sourcing at plant cognition all of the WP:RS use the term "plant intelligence", not plant cognition. The main article also needs to renamed to plant intelligence but I believe this category should also be changed. Psychologist Guy (talk) 02:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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