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Category:Pejoratives

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 18#Category:Pejoratives

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:48, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the main articles Emalahleni Local Municipality, Eastern Cape and Emalahleni Local Municipality, Mpumalanga. htonl (talk) 21:41, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Populated places in the Naledi Local Municipality, NW

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The disambiguation in the current name is to distinguish it from Category:Populated places in the Naledi Local Municipality, FS, because there used to be two municipalities with the same name in South Africa. However the "FS" municipality no longer exists and its category will shortly be deleted as CSD C1. Thus the disambiguation is no longer needed for the "NW" category. htonl (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Nondenominational secular schools in Australia

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The result of the discussion was: delete (merge unnecessary). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We do not categorize secular schools as such, in Australia or elsewhere. This criterion is probably not defining for them (except if you consider religious schools to be the default form of education). Also, if they are secular, I do not really see how they could be denominational; the use of both terms nondenominational and secular therefore seems redundant. Note that these articles (4 in total) were moved from Category:Nondenominational Christian schools in Australia. I have no opinion regarding the secular vs. Christian character of these individual institutions, which should be discussed at article level, but that's probably not a good way to categorize them. Place Clichy (talk) 17:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You're right that nondenominational and secular seems to be a tautology. Well, the first is softer (no special denomination owns) as the second (no religious influence at all wanted). But your proposal would have the result that both types: "faith schools" and secular schools could be merged into one category for "private schools". Those two types are completely different or even antagonistic. The opposite to private school is state-run school. The latter can be - but must not be - a secular alignment. Keep in mind: Secular schools can be private or state-run. Your proposal is not well-conceived. You should cancel it or redesign it to Rename to "Category:Secular schools in Australia" etc. -- Just N. (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact, the private schools categories are already parent categories of the three nominated above, and all 4 schools in these categories are indeed private schools. That's the reason I suggested these merge targets, as of course all secular schools are not private; per Marcocapelle's comment below these targets are not even necessary. "Faith schools" are found under Category:Religious educational institutions, Category:Religious schools and their many children, no obvious need to change anything there. Place Clichy (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and propose Alt rename to Category:Secular schools in Australia and the other two categories done just analogously. --Just N. (talk) 17:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Are secular schools only an Australian thing? Otherwise do you suggest to create and populate secular schools categories in every country? That would be a pretty big change. Place Clichy (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original move or else Category:Independent schools in Australia. In Australia, many state schools are also nondenominational and secular but all the members of this tree seem to be just independent/private schools and should not be merged into a tree containing state schools. (t · c) buidhe 22:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support nomination in principle, per WP:OCMISC, but merging is not needed since all articles are already in a private primary school subcategory of the targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Also support deletion as nom per the above comment. Place Clichy (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete since they are in other subcategories. Support the rationale of the nomination. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - secular by definition has no denomination, as the latter is a religious term. The combination of the two is confusing and more importantly unneeded. Taking a look through the articles entries, while the fact that they are secular is mentioned in the lead paragraph, this seems to be more that they are unaffiliated with any religious group rather than that they are based around a secular or humanist agenda. Going on to Justus Nussbaum's argument above, I believe all the articles in these categories are about private (not state) run schools, so the planned merge doesn't seem problematic. Inter&anthro (talk) 00:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sexual Assault Awareness Month

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. – Fayenatic London 16:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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1912 establishments in Lithuania

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The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 07:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This category was later reinstated per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_18#Establishments_in_the_Russian_Empire_when_there_was_no_Lithuania. – Fayenatic London 10:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1912 establishments in Latvia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 07:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: this category was later reinstated per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_18#Establishments_in_the_Russian_Empire_when_there_was_no_Lithuania. – Fayenatic London 10:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1912 establishments in Ukraine

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The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 07:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Category:1912 establishments in Ukraine to Category:1912 establishments in the Russian Empire
  • Nominator's rationael There was no Ukraine in 1912. There was something like 15 different sub-units of the Russian Empire, 12 or so of which fully and another 3 partly, overlapped with Ukraine. This is a clear example of either imposing a non-defined region on categorization, or imposing anachronisms in the establishment category tree. Either way we should not be doing it. There were way too many Governorates of the Russian Empire to categorize by establishments in each, and there is no other clear way to define boundaries. There were some sub-units, such as Poland and Finland, that were more distrinct, but there is no definable, politically clear Ukraine in 1912 to categorize by.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The procedural discussion two nominations above this one (1912 in Lithuania) applies similarly here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Junk argument at its finest. In 1912 there was no Ukraine. We need to judge categories on their own and on how horrible they are. Not keep them because there may or may not be other equally bad categories around. Other stuff exists is not a valid argument to keep rubbish.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:23, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support batched or not, the category needs to go. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:54, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This category was later reinstated per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_18#Establishments in Ukraine when most of Ukraine was under the Russian Empire. – Fayenatic London 10:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lynn Sailors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry and subcategory. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Buddhist religious leaders

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There wasn't much enthusiasm for the proposal, but neither was it vigorously opposed. Perhaps a new nomination could gain a consensus for change. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge as the distinction between "religious leaders" and "religious workers" is unclear and "religious leader" lacks an objective definition. Why would mystics and revivalists be placed in the leaders category instead of in the workers category? Why would ascetics, missionaries and teachers be placed in the workers category instead of the leaders category? (Note that the ascetics subcat mostly contains Buddhist monks who are also in the leaders category.) Those questions aren't satisfactorily answerable. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: feel free to disagree. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And are mystics and ascetics workers? That doesn't quite make sense to me either. If you feel there is a real need to merge these two categories, might it not be better to merge them both into a category with a different, more encompassing name (~ perhaps something like "Buddhist religious figures" or "Buddhist religious personalities" )? Chris Fynn (talk) 12:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The question at stake is whether to keep this as one or as two categories, so that is a different question. Even if the current(!) wording is not ideal, that will not be solved at all by cancelling this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "religious leaders" seems to work reasonably well in a modern, especially American context, but it doesnt feel right in organised religions. Rathfelder (talk) 18:12, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Association of Baptist Churches in Ireland

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:41, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. The Baptist Centre is the building hosting this Baptist denomination, and Baptist Missions is a department hosted in the building. This is probably not a reason to create categories with reciprocal inclusion for each and every one of these few inter-related articles. Note that the headquarters building is currently the only building in the churches category. Other appropriate parents are already present at article level (such as Category:Denomination headquarters in the United Kingdom and Category:Baptist missionary societies). Place Clichy (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: other creations by the same editor on the same topic have been discussed and deleted e.g. here, here, here, here, here. Place Clichy (talk) 08:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Association of Baptist Churches in Ireland people

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. It is probably not defining for someone to be associated with a religious denomination if they are not members. In this case, the only content where membership may not be obvious is Category:Irish Baptist College people, but the 2 articles there (Hugh D. Brown and Hamilton Moore) are described and categorised as members of this church. Place Clichy (talk) 08:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The New York Times bestselling writers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Awkward and excessive categorization. Being a best-selling author surely is a notable characteristic, albeit weakly-defined itself. Placing onto the NYT Best Seller list is more specific, but not particularly defining. This would be a cumbersome and uninteresting category. I am also not aware of any similar existing categories for biographical articles. Οἶδα (talk) 07:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Han Buddhism

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The result of the discussion was: merge (selectively) as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: selectively merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Han Buddhism is a redirect to Chinese Buddhism and that article is in fact about Buddhism in China, which in category space is already covered by Category:Buddhism in China. Note that Category:Han Buddhism also covers a little content about Buddhism in Japan (the article Kusha-shū and Category:Buddhism in the Ryukyu Islands), but that should obviously not be merged to Category:Buddhism in China. While Buddhism spread via China to Japan, Buddhism in Japan is not specifically considered to be a subset of Chinese Buddhism (rather, Japanese and Chinese Buddhism are both considered to be a subset of East Asian Buddhism). Merge the two subcategories per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
@Fayenatic london: pinging contributor to speedy discussion. Note that the speedy discussion contained a different proposal than nominated now at full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the Association of Baptist Churches in Ireland

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:36, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with strictly no potential for expansion. Irish Baptist College, the only such college, is already present in all appropriate parents e.g. Category:Association of Baptist Churches in Ireland and Category:Baptist universities and colleges. Past discussion for a creation by the same user: here. Place Clichy (talk) 07:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the Baptist Convention of Hong Kong

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:37, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with no potential for expansion with only one institution, the Hong Kong Baptist University. Past discussion for a creation by the same user: here. Place Clichy (talk) 07:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of Pratt's club

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIALCAT
Pratt's is a gentlemen's club in London and this category contains 4 articles: two don't mention the membership at all (1, 2), one does mention the club but as president not just a member (3), but the 4th article really shows how this approach can lead to category clutter: Prime Minister and Social Butterfly Harold Macmillan's article has a whole section called "London clubs" and that article appears in this category based on this sentence:
He was also a member of Buck's, Pratt's, the Turf Club and Beefsteak Club.
The category contents are now all listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Treaty of Nanking

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING
The Treaty of Nanking was an unequal treaty where China was forced to allow extraterritorial concessions in major cities where Western citizens would not be subject to Chinese law which lasted from 1842 to 1943. This category consists primarily of major cities that had enclaves like Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Nanjing but these are major world cities that don't seemed defined by this century long period for specific neighborhoods.
In any case, it is the concessions themselves that are important to each location not the treaty which is why we already have Category:Concessions in China to categorize by this topic. But it's not quite an issue of WP:OVERLAPCAT because that tree has more specific articles like Shanghai French Concession so readers can find articles defined by this period. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:23, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_May_10