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Category:Liberman Broadcasting stations

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (Talk) 13:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Corporate name change Mvcg66b3r (talk) 23:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Visual arts by subject

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The result of the discussion was: keep all. – Fayenatic London 14:41, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's rationale, Option A rename to visual arts (with s) per WP:C2C per Category:Visual arts by subject which was renamed in full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC); option B rename to visual art (without s) as suggested in the speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • That's making it longer (in the arts). 'Moon in art' to 'Moon in visual art' seems concise enough, and the consensus of the linked discussion seems to favor 'in visual art' without the 's'. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose speedy for these art categories, because this doesn't seem like a speedy change that can happen without discussion first. Each category needs to be discussed for if it's known as "visual art" vs "art", per valid points brought up in the original discussion. Even though this is the parent category, it doesn't mean that's the category people were assuming when they were tagging "art." Art and visual art can be very different, and it's a lot more work to overhaul 10-20 categories now and then have to manually go through all of the tags and change any that aren't necessarily "visual," then at least having a discussion first about which of these should be kept, changed, or moved to be under "Art" as a parent. Whisperjanes (talk) 03:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym, Randy Kryn, Oculi, and Whisperjanes: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Krakkos, Peterkingiron, Aymatth2, Johnbod, Sionk, Darwinek, Randy Kryn, Ewulp, and Modernist: pinging contributors to previous full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose per P Aculeius below, but if passed then: ...in visual art without the 's'. Better wording. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...in visual art without the 's'. Yes, sorry, missed that in the original discussion. Johnbod (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...in visual art without the 's'. More idiomatic. Ewulp (talk) 23:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • either "...in visual art" or "...in the visual arts". Not "...in visual arts". Using the form with the "s" requires the definite article. Grutness...wha? 02:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Either "...in visual art" or "...in the visual arts", per Grutness. Might as well go with the shorter one. Oculi (talk) 09:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. None of these are intuitive titles, compared to the current ones. They simply wouldn't occur to most people. It's true that most of the examples of "art" in these categories are "visual", but they don't have to be—and why would we restrict the term to an umbrella category when the current contents aren't burdened by the inclusion of both visual and non-visual examples? "Visual art" or "arts" is the sort of phrasing one might expect to find in art textbooks, but not, to any great extent, in the real world. Books, museums, exhibitions of all kinds refer simply to "art", seldom to "visual art", even though the vast majority of their contents—perhaps in most cases, all of their contents—are "visual". This strikes me as an unnecessary and counterproductive move, when there are relatively few non-visual examples included in most of these categories, and there's no clear reason for excluding them. P Aculeius (talk) 12:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all, Visual arts includes the wider arts such as film and television. These categories are clearly intended to categorise artworks. If it's not broke, don't fix it. 'Visual art' is not the common term for 'art'. Sionk (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all per Sionk above. The current names are concise and unambigous.--Darwinek (talk) 23:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment these are being used as if any artwork containing X becomes categorized as "X in art". A piece of art that merely features or contains an X doesn't make that inclusion notable for categorization. Until that is cleaned up, renaming these is a smaller problem. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:15, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Aculeius and Sionk. There doesn't seem to be anything specifically "visual" about these categories, other than their parent. But I think a lot of editors tag categories without looking at the parent (especially when using HotCat), which means these categories are now being used for non-visual artworks too. I actually suggest moving them to be under Art or some other parent category, if the parent category is the main factor for change. Either way with the outcome, many of these are being used more broadly for artwork or fine art, so I think it's still important that non-visual artworks keep having a place in them. - Whisperjanes (talk) 03:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Specific discussion about Category:Climate change in art
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But particularly oppose Category:Universities and colleges in visual arts as the topics included in the category are not works of visual art. This also applies to Category:Climate change in visual arts, which includes other than links to sculptures, paintings, and drawings which define what visual art categories include. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Specific discussion about Category:Universities and colleges in art
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But particularly oppose Category:Universities and colleges in visual arts as the topics included in the category are not works of visual art. This also applies to Category:Climate change in visual arts, which includes other than links to sculptures, paintings, and drawings which define what visual art categories include. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Specific discussion about Category:Art depicting people
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  • Keep -- It will be much better to leave this alone. The nom wants to confine categories to painting, sculpture, etc, but some of the categories are stretching into performing arts. The primary scope of most of these categories is the visual arts, but it is difficult to see how one can paint climate change though it may be represented by depictions in visual arts. If we did change this, it would be necessary to purge all categories of non-visual items and move them to a (rather unnecessary) parallel tree. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Categories involving burials at cemeteries

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposed renaming
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Category:Drafts of political history overviews by decade

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (Talk) 13:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT. This cat will be empty most of the time, and have perhaps one article at some points, when there is such a draft and people care enough to actualy categorize it (which usually doesn't happen with drafts). Fram (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As drafts can be (and are) categorized on their talk pages (e.g. Category:Draft-Class Asian military history articles) I think "reader-side" categorization of drafts is unnecessary and could cause of wasted effort and confusion. DexDor (talk) 12:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- such drafts are much better in user space. If an author wants others to work with him on a draft, he can no doubt post a notice of that somewhere. Having Draft-class articles categorised as such on their talk pages is sensible. Is this category being populated from somewhere else? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Decades in british politics

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Politics overviews by decade Timrollpickering (Talk) 13:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Capitalization error. I'm not convinced that this isn't overcategorization and that we shouldn't simply upcat this, but if we have it, it should be corrected. Fram (talk) 08:57, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Norfolk County treasurers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 18#Category:Norfolk County treasurers

Southland Conference sports tournament venues

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (Talk) 13:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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