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Category:Minority fraternities and sororities

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fraternities and sororities by type. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I feel "special interest" would be a much better label than "minority", as 1, that is often associated with an ethnic minority, and some of these are religious or LGBT based, 2, some of these are not necessarily minorities like the Christian frats. Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Student fraternities and sororities

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As defined on the main page, "fraternities and sororities" are, for our purposes, Greek system of organizations that are composed of secondary students (though some may still be considered members after graduation). Therefore student fraternities is superflous. Fraternal groups like the Freemasons, Elks etc are under Category:Fraternal service organizations are are altogether different types of organizations. Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:38, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Secret student societies

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The result of the discussion was: delete, there is no need to merge because, as nominator points out, the content is already in the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category:Collegiate secret societies covers this area already. The two subcats that are on here are also there rendering this cat pointless Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Co-operative Party (UK) MEPs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per convention of Category:Co-operative Party (UK) politicians. The Co-operative Party has never elected an MEP on its own. Both members of this category were in fact elected as Labour Co-operative. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm mixed on whether this should be a rename for the reasons stated, or a merge into Category:Labour Party (UK) MEPs per SMALLCAT, so I've got a question. I'm not up on UK politics, so is it a tremendously big deal to make the party distinction to Labour-Cooperative considering one of the two is listed as a "Labour and Cooperative" politician? MSJapan (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply @MSJapan: If more of the UK MEPs were properly categorised, there would be be considerably more Labour Co-op MEPs. That's becaise Labour Co-op politicians tend to be misreported in some sources as plain "labour". So SMALLCAT doesn't apply, because there is potential for expansion ... and it also doesn't apply because this is part of a consistent series. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:47, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename (cat creator) per nom. When I created the category, I was not sure if all Co-operative MEPs in history were Labour Co-operative, so I kept it broader to be on the safe side. But if they are all Labour Co-operative, then really there's no reason not to name the category that. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom, now that my question has been answered. MSJapan (talk) 01:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Defense companies of Pakistan

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:34, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TIES and consistency with other Pakistani defence-related articles. AusLondonder (talk) 15:22, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Defunct restaurants in Baltimore, Maryland

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Defunct restaurants in Maryland and Category:Restaurants in Baltimore, Maryland. Upmerging the state categories would require a fresh nomination, as they have not been tagged. – Fayenatic London 20:15, 19 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Category with just two entries.

Also upmerge into Restaurants in Baltimore, Maryland. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:25, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alt rename/expand to Category:Defunct restaurants in Maryland per precedent. Will most probably gain sufficient entries to cease being a WP:SMALLCAT. --PanchoS (talk) 13:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge all subcats into Defunct restaurants in the United States. There's only six subcats, mixed city/state, and 22 entries between them all at that level. It's bordering on overcat - there's plnty of restaurants that go out of business anyplace, true, but not as often are they notable. MSJapan (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Thankful Villages

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The arguments for deletion were stronger (WP:NONDEF). The arguments for keeping didn't successfully refute the assertion that this isn't a defining characteristic of these villages. In fact, in some cases, they acknowledged this to be the case. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 04:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a classic example of (inappropriately) creating a list using the category system. The main defining characteristic of a village is which county it's in. It is a bit bizarre to categorize a village which did not lose men in a war in a category for that war. It's fine to mention this fact in the text of an article, but there is no need to create a category for every single verifiable fact in articles. This isn't how we normally categorise populated places (e.g. we don't have a category for cities that lost no men in the Falklands War). This category also (currently) puts articles about English villages in a Welsh category. Note: There is a list at Thankful Villages. DexDor (talk) 06:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as defining as having had Queen Victoria visiting your village or having been in It's a Knockout. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:30, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is actually a recognised title for those (very few) villages that lost no men in the war. It was rare and is therefore most certainly defining. Comparing the First World War to the Falklands War should obviously be recognised as a ludicrous comparison, as should those comparisons mentioned above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:27, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It may be a recognised title for those interested in WWI, but for those interested in a village it may not be (e.g. I used to live near one of these villages and visited it many times, but was unaware it had this status). Re "It was rare and is therefore most certainly defining.": I suggest you look at WP:DEFINING. A village having an unusual status with regard to a war is rare, but that's a good reason for not using it for categorization; categorizing villages by a non rare characteristic (e.g. by which county they are in) is a good way to categorize because it provides a comprehensive way to categorize. There are lots of rare things that may be mentioned in an article (e.g. that a Nobel prizewinner has lived there, that it has an alternative name, that it has been visited by US president, that it is in a different county to its post town, that it is not on the national electricity grid...), but those would not be good ways to categorize. If you don't like the mention of the Falklands War then how about a category for US towns that lost no men in the Vietnam War? or towns in Germany that were not bombed in WWII? - this isn't how we normally categorize places. DexDor (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I had no idea Thankful villages were a thing - but I do now. The common narrative is every village lost something, in fact I don't think I've ever been to a village without a memorial. I think it's notable that some villages never lost, as they are pretty exceptional. Drowz0r (talk) 10:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a note, I've found this page which is a manually updated list of what the categories can manage more effectively anyway. I would recommend checking the lists against one another and using the category instead of the manual list (page) as it'd be a lot easier to maintain. Drowz0r (talk) 12:28, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Re "using the category instead of the manual list" - are you suggesting the list be deleted, but the category kept? DexDor (talk) 08:10, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Necrothesp and Drowz0r. This probably isn't a defining characteristic of these villages, but it is a useful category. Nick-D (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; I would say listify, but the list already exists and it is quite short, so easily maintained.
    It's an interesting fragment of history, but no evidence is offered that this is a WP:DEFINING characteristic of these villages. The only argument for keeping it appears to be that somebody devised the term and compiled the list ... but I see no evidence that the term itself ever achieved wide currency, or that it is well-known now, let alone that these villages are widely-known by this attribute. I did a sample check (of the 9 villages in counties beginning with "L"), and each of them already links to the page Thankful Villages. That will do fine as a navigational hub. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:55, 16 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I would be reluctant to categorize a village that is hundreds of years old by the events of 1914-1918 unless there was a major battle there or the like. To categorize these places by something that did not happen duruing that time period, goes too far. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:58, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. To me, it looks like this characteristic is notable, but not defining, for the villages involved. We have the notability part taken care of with the article; we don't need the categories to extend this to a defining feature. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:22, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Kingdom of León

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The result of the discussion was: selective merge to Category:Centuries in the Kingdom of León, Category:10th century in the Kingdom of León, Category:12th century in the Kingdom of León, Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of León, Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of León by century, and Category:12th-century establishments in the Kingdom of León; and delete the rest. (For the record, the 1164 category was empty at the time of closure, and I was not able to determine what had been its former member.) – Fayenatic London 15:13, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Five articles in this tree. Oddly, none of these categories are in the history tree currently, but they belong there. ~ RobTalk 06:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Griqualand East

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete per nominator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:07, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. One article in this whole tree. ~ RobTalk 06:03, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Just one article in a whole tree doesn't make any sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - the proposal can make sense, but includes an anachronistic "1863 in South Africa", which hadn't existed until 1910.GreyShark (dibra) 19:09, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is part of a long running discussion that hasn't reached consensus in either direction. By lack of consensus these anachronistic categories are being kept by default, and since they exist it is a proper merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. I have no problem with a reference to "South Africa" in 1863. People who specifically research the history of South Africa do not come to pre-1910 events and suddenly state that there is no more history. The "anachronism" arguments depends on accepting that the only thing that counts is political entities, which of course is nonsense. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:26, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Federal Republic of Central America

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The result of the discussion was: rename/merge to "Central America". – Fayenatic London 19:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Four articles in this tree. It's on the edge of being worth the history category, but given the overall categorization scheme, the exception of SMALLCAT applies. The by-year categories aren't justified, though. ~ RobTalk 05:49, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING) and WP:PERFCAT
The Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal is given to any Canadian citizen (military or civilian) who spends more than 30 days working as an official peacekeeper. The award was established in 1988 but, as of 2012, about 75,000 had already been issued (source) so I don't think a list is an option here. We generally don't categorize by campaign medals because career soldiers often accrue many of these which is why there are no other recipient subcategories under Category:Canadian campaign medals. -RevelationDirect (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Jack Cox as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Military history. – RevelationDirect (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Clare Boothe Luce Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 04:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
This is an award from the Heritage Foundation for advancing American conservative political causes, but going through their press releases, I was only able to identify maybe a third of the winners so I listed them here. Thie Clare Boothe Luce Award article was a word-for-word copy this site so I reworded it but others may want to improve the article further. In any case, this obscure award does not seem defining for President Ronald Reagan, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher or Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Stargat as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Conservatism. – RevelationDirect (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note to Closing Admin: I missed tagging this category until 6/14. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prince Philip Designers Prize

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 04:38, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
The Prince Philip Designers Prize was originally presented by Prince Philip to a British designer, but now it's not presented by him and it's a more global award. The real problem here is that the definition of "designer" is intentionally vague: building designers (architects), a jewelry designer, a computer chip designer, a graphic designer who updated the BBC logo, the illustrator who designed the cartoons in Roald Dahl's books, a motor vehicle designer, a silk textile designer, a folding bicycle designer and more. Wikipedia does have a Category:Designers category but it's more of a container for different sub-specialties because designing something is too vague and, similarly, this category seems too broad to be defining. These winners are already listed here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Sladen as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject United Kingdom. – RevelationDirect (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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