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Category:Creators and founders of sports and sporting institutions

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The result of the discussion was: Multiple actions'. Category:Sports builders was deleted since the two included articles did not have their inclusion in the parent categories supported based on the articles text. So the resulting empty tree was deleted. Split Category:Creators and founders of sports and sporting institutions to Category:Creators of sports or Category:Founders of sporting institutions, split Category:Creators and founders of boxing and its institutions to Category:Creators of sports or Category:Founders of sporting institutions since the resulting sport specific categries are too small but can be recreaterd if needed in the future and finally Split Category:Creators and founders of football (soccer) and its institutions to Category:Creators of football (soccer) or Category:Founders of football (soccer) institutions. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose splitting and renaming Category:Creators and founders of sports and sporting institutions to Category:Creators of sports and Category:Founders of sporting institutions, and conforming edits to subcategories, plus propose merging Category:Sports builders and its pointless subcats into the resulting split categories.
Nominator's rationale: The existing category and its subcats are woefully longwinded, redundant ("creators and founders", kind of like "fishermen and fish-catchers"?) and most importantly are mix-and-matching two entirely different topics. Category:Sports builders just doesn't make any sense in English, implying venue construction or something, and is too vague otherwise, being a catchall for creators/inventors, boosters and promoters, iconic players, you name it. The very small number of entries are easily moved to proper categories (I've already moved one, and Norman Brookes should go in Category:Sports officials until such time as there is a Category:Tennis officials, and Arden Eddie should be in Category:Minor league baseball executives, I think. There aren't any others there.
Category:Creators of sports should remain in Category:Sports inventors and innovators, and contain the Dwight F. Davis, James Naismith and Tom Wills entries. Category:Founders of sporting institutions should move a step down to Category:Sports occupations (see minor rename CfR below), and contain the Fahad Al-Ahmed Al-Jaber Al-Sabah entry. The two subcats can simply be split in half as subcats of the two resulting cats (not creating one if it is not actually needed - e.g. all of the boxing entries are surely destined for Category:Founders of boxing institutions (or somewhere else more narrow, such as a trainers category or whatever), with no Category:Creators of boxing likely being appropriate, since boxing goes back to antiquity) and at least in the football (soccer) one, several can be removed from any of these categories, as they are simply founders of clubs/squads/teams (I'm sure every fan thinks of their team as "an institution", but that is not what is meant here); there should already be a managers and/or coaches and/or teamowners category for this, and it can be created if it is missing.
— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see merit to certain parts of this nomination, but don't understand why the general category should be split into "creators" and "founders", but the boxing and football subcategories not. Debresser (talk) 19:18, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't say subcategories shouldn't be split, generally. In the particular cases appearing here, there's no need yet for some categories, e.g. inventors in the field of boxing (if someone writes an article on whoever invented boxing gloves or boxing bits, or whatever, then such a category will be needed). The cat. for founders of boxing institutions is already needed. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I support this nomination. Debresser (talk) 19:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sports occupations

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Sports occupations and roles --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Sports occupations to Category:Sports occupations and roles
Nominator's rationale: Not all entries here are really "occupations" in the strict sense. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Εκοpedia template categories

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The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted by Materialscientist (talk · contribs) under criterion G3 (pure vandalism). –BLACK FALCON (TALK) 17:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Εκοpedia template categories ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete From the names used on the page it seems that this category should have been added to a different Wiki. Favonian (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rugby union footballers

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The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξxplicit 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Rugby union footballers to Category:Rugby union players (also replace "footballers" with "players" in all subcategories please)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. "Footballers" is an archaic term in rugby union. Wikiproject consensus reached here and here. Sahmejil (talk) 07:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. If you want all of the subcategories renamed, they will need to be tagged and nominated. You might want to delay doing that until you see if this discussion is closed with a consensus to change. Vegaswikian (talk) 09:28, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's rather self-contradictory. :-) Either they should all be listed now or not. I think that it is perfectly fine to discuss the overall issue and come to consensus on what to do with them all without redundantly listing a bunch of duplicative entries here. A putsch to consolidate a bunch of disparately named categories under one standard naming scheme certainly needs such a list, but a proposal to rename a bunch of already consistent categories really doesn't. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I think we are tending to use 'Foo players' rather than 'Fooers' anyway, and I agree that mentions of rugby sometimes add 'league' or 'union' but not 'football' these days. I also support the idea of head category renames being rolled out in a speedy way to subcats (and going to cfd if and only if contested). Occuli (talk) 09:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename - The term "footballer" only means something to certain classes of English speakers and looks like informal jargon or slang to everyone else (arguably it is exactly that, and is at least non-encyclopedic in tone). Further, the term will be confusing to some, for whom "footballer" exclusively means "player of association football a.k.a. soccer", and for whom a rugby [league|union] player is a "rugby [league|union] player". And it is unnecessarily long by 4 characters. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support rename per the wikiproject consensus and more common usage. --RL0919 (talk) 00:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose for now. I have no particular interest in the subject, but while this proposal seems at first glance to be good idea, I want to hear from the rugby buffs before making up my mind. I note that this proposal affects squillions of categories used by WikiProject Rugby union, but I can find no trace of any attempt to notify the WP:RU. I have found a recent brief discussion there about the general principle of using "players" rather than "footballers", but I see no evidence that anyone has ever suggested to the project that this might trigger a mass renaming of categories. It might be that tagging the subcats would alert the project, but it seems to me to be only a matter of basic courtesy to directly notify the project, and unless they have had a chnace to contribute to this discussion, I'll oppose the proposed renaming. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:30, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support rename as players is more common nowadays; footballers has fallen out of general use for rugby union's participants--Bcp67 (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC).[reply]
  • Rename per nom, but to avoid confusion I recommend a prompt followup to rename all the sub-categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, as players is less confusing to the majority of readers. Also support recommendations from BrownHairedGirl.FruitMonkey (talk) 15:50, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Albums produced by Marinelli

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The result of the discussion was: Speedy deleted by Lectonar (talk · contribs) per WP:CSD#C1, but they did not close this discussion, so I'm closing it for them. RL0919 (talk) 00:14, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Albums produced by Marinelli ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Eh...the "underground" artist in question is imaginary, I reckon. Drmies (talk) 04:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:List of beauty queens from Scandinavia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. — ξxplicit 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:List of beauty queens from Scandinavia to Category:Beauty pageant contestants from Scandinavia
Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia naming conventions. Categories should not be named "List of...". There is a current Category:Beauty pageant contestants. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 02:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gohar Shahi

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Gohar Shahi to Category:Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Propose rename to use full name and match article Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't we make a speedy criterion, that matching an article's name is a speedy, if that name has been in unchallenged use for over three months. Debresser (talk) 19:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:H. P. Blavatsky

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:H. P. Blavatsky to Category:Helena Blavatsky. NW (Talk) 23:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:H. P. Blavatsky to Category:Helena Blavatsky
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Suggest renaming to match main article Helena Blavatsky. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Packets

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom to Category:Packets (information technology). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Packets to Category:Packets (information technology)
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Packets is ambiguous. Suggest renaming to mirror main article Packet (information technology). Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of ambiguous hospital names

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom to Category:Hospital disambiguation pages. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:52, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Lists of ambiguous hospital names to Category:Hospital disambiguation pages
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This is a disambiguation category, not a regular lists category. Propose renaming to match the other topic-specific categories in Category:Disambiguation pages. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:04, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of political parties by generic name

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per nom to Category:Political party disambiguation pages. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:54, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Lists of political parties by generic name to Category:Political party disambiguation pages
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This is a disambiguation category, not a regular lists category. Propose renaming to match the other topic-specific categories in Category:Disambiguation pages. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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