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The result was keep. Wifione ^Message 04:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

William McCaffrey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Completely unnoteable pitcher who only played a single season in the 1800s. He made no amazing records, won no awards, and a search shows nothing but listings of his stats on various baseball related websites. Jtrainor (talk) 03:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The only corresponding third-party sources I can seem to find involve a man who was originally sentenced to prison for a rape offense he did not commit.[1][2][3] SaveATreeEatAVegan 05:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow ^Talk 09:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow ^Talk 09:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Major League Baseball player. Though he played in only one game, he passes WP:BASE/N. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Santiago Ramírez and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Shaver for two examples. Adam Penale (talk) 11:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Snow Keep This guy pitched in an MLB predecessor and, as such, passes WP:BASE/N. — NY-13021 (talk) 11:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A minor correction - The 1885 Cincinnati Red Stockings were a full fledged Major League team, not just an MLB predecessor. Rlendog (talk) 16:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. I know the American Association is considered "major league" for historical purposes, but I didn't believe it was formally part of "Major League Baseball." — NY-13021 (talk) 22:59, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure there was an organization called "Major League Baseball" in the 19th century. But the AA was certainly considered a major league (as opposed to the many minor leagues that operated at the time), even to the point of playing the NL in an early version of the World Series for a number of years. Indeed, the AA team this player played for is the same team as today's NL Cincinnati Reds. Rlendog (talk) 01:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Participation in the 1800s American Association is considered notable by WP:BASE/N. Alex (talk) 10:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Snow Keep Per WP:BASE/N. Alex (talk) 13:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, first off, snow keeps only apply when there is overwhelming consensus that an article is noteable. Second, that is a ridiculous definition of noteability and WP:IAR should be applied here with a large spiked bat. This guy has never done anything of interest and this article will never be more than a stub. Jtrainor (talk) 14:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • As a former MLB player, he's included in the encyclopedia of MLB, which is our primary method of establishing notability. This is entirely appropriate given Wikipedia's mission. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Per long-standing precedent, all MLB players are notable. Even one-gamers from the 19th century. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 15:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Passes WP:ATHLETE by playing Major League Baseball. Notability is not temporary, so the fact that he played in the 19th century doesn't inhibit his notability a bit. Rlendog (talk) 16:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: It meets various sport related notability requirements. (Does it need improving? Yes, but that's not a reason to delete it.) --LauraHale (talk) 20:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy/snow keep per playing in MLB – Muboshgu (talk) 22:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Per longstanding consensus that Major League Baseball players are notable per se. Carrite (talk) 03:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Per above keeps.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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