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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wahhabism Ibadi Movement (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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WP:POVFORK of Wahabism, Ibadi and Abd al-Wahhab ibn Rustam. Unsourced soapboxing. _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 10:43, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 11:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 11:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Seraphim System ^(talk) 02:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment -- I left an email message for the article creator.

  While I agree the article does have problems, I am not convinced it is not a fork.

  The first  article says that movement is founded by a guy named Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab.

  The second article says that movement is founded by a guy named Abd al-Wahhab ibn Rustam.

  The first  article says that movement was founded in Saudi Arabia.

  The second article says that movement was founded in Algeria.

  The first  article says that movement was founded about 250 years ago.

  The second article says that movement was founded about 1200 years ago. Mind you, it may list dates as AD, when they should be in the Arabic style. Even then the founding would be hundreds of years apart.

  So, the possibility we are not dealing with a fork is high. Geo Swan (talk) 03:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • The guy this article says is the founder was a real person, a member of the Rustamid dynasty, who really was born in 788 AD. Geo Swan (talk) 03:50, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment -- I did as much copy-editing as I could, given the article creator has a less than perfect grasp of English.

  I added one reference from the article on the founder, Abd al-Wahhab ibn Rustam.

  I know there are rules and guidelines about articles that seem imperfectly translated. I don't know what they are. As a courtesy to the article creator, should we postpone the closure until seven days from my email to the article creator?

  As I wrote above I am convinced this is not a fork. If anyone knows a fair-minded individual who is bilingual in both English and Arabic, perhaps they could be asked to weigh in? Geo Swan (talk) 03:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong delete per WP:FRINGE and WP:NOTESSAY. The Rustamid dynasty rose and fell 1,000 years before Wahhabism even existed. This would be patent nonsense were it not for the fact that the sentences are at least coherent and follow a single train of thought. However, it's still an unsourced work of original research proposing an idea so ridiculous that no actual scholar would take it seriously. This is the equivalent of claiming that a random Roman emperor was a Clintonian Democrat. It's that silly. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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