The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn by nom. (Non-admin closure). --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vine Hall, Oxford (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

this page lacks WP:RS reliable sources, WP:N demonstratove notebility, or anything and google yields only wikipedia sarticles and mirrors that mention this place at all Smith Jones (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• i conducted a search for "Vine Hall Oxford". of th e first 10 links, most of them were either wikipedia . a mirror or something esle not demonstrative of a WP:RS criteria such as laid out here here in this link.
• i then tried to google "Vine Hall" by itself and i found that it was a moderative prominently surname here here and elspeth. While these people may or may not be notable, there is no tenuous conduction between Vine Hall, Oxford (article) and anyone so theretofore listed.
• just to over the arse, i decided to go back to Oxford the overlal concept of this university and work backwards to see if ic ould find a link to Vine Hall, Oxford theretofore. the originative website for which oxford has established, here, yielded nothing for vine hall, indicating to therefore me that not necessarily present is any mention of the term Vine Hall, Oxford as an adjunct to this university of Oxford.

counterpoint -- a more extensive search yielded 204 matches however my rudimant analysis yielded no sign that these results were directly or even tangentialy on point to the point to which i was initially attempting to refer of.

• • conclusion -- i am forced t conclude, that, despite the good fiath efforts of this article creator and all the toehrs who have worked on this article in the past, i am forced to conclude that this article does not apear to meet the demonstrative criteria for inclusion whtin the pages of Wikipedia (figuratively). The policies of WP:RS, WP:V, *& WP:N are not met therein; this article fails to include ANY sources, and my investigation had conlucded that there are not likely to be any sources heretofore discoverable in the near or approachable future. Further to the point, there is no assertion of notabiltiy; the article fails to allege that this place is notable in the history of Oxford University due to the lack of source.s and finally, no verifiable location can be found for the discovery of the aforemtnioned sources wherein the article rests entirely on no such link to an external site no such written or documented source that falls within the reliable sources guideline set outide within the Wikipedia code.
  • the above constitutes m y decision to go against my principles and nominate this article for dletion. of course, if anyone can do a better job and find a source that would subatnatiate the charges put forth by this article (ie that Vine Hall existed and was part of Oxford) i would be only good willing to withdraw this nomination and extned my sincere apologies to the article creator Smith Jones (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment Not sure about wether this should be merged to Alfred Street, but just wanted to say that SJ's searches are incorrect/not as useful as google book search which finds WP:RS far more easily. For Vine Hall, Alfred Street it yields [1][2] about 171 mentions in WP:RS. The building gave its name to the previous name for Alfred Street, which was Vine Hall Lane. It is irrelevant whether it is currently on the Oxford Uni website- it's unlikely to be, as it no longer exists, but they are not trying to be and encyclopedia.:) As a rule, it edifies Wikipedia to include historical/cultural artefacts and subjects, which obviously often will not have as many mentions on the internet as things contemporary to the internet. Sticky Parkin 17:48, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thats a very good point Sticky Parkin. i tried to look at Googlebooks but i wasnt sure how to use that website to find Vine Hall, Oxford. thank you for your point.

do you know how i could go about withdrawing a WP:AFD?? Smith Jones (talk) 17:52, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I am finding several sources. It seems to be a part of current Peckwater Quadrangle and either an other name for, or was situated next to Peckwater's Inn. --Apoc2400 (talk) 18:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thank you too fore your help Apoc2400. i feel like i jumped the gun a bit aith tiw WP:AFD and while i have ben advised to leave it open for others to communicate in the future i would go to the talkpage first insteadof coming directly here. again, thank you for your time and the effort you are taking out to put sources in this aritcle. Smith Jones (talk) 18:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. We are a bit stingy because some people try to delete a lot of articles that shouldn't be. No need to withdraw the AfD I think, it will be closed eventually. --Apoc2400 (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ya i know what your talking about. i almost never do something like this (this is the first AFD i started, as i remember) and the only reason is ecause of the fact that it didnt have any sources and that weird, jokey line "it later disappeared" atthaced to it. obviously thats not a good reason to jump the gun like that. BTW, i think that non-admins can close these thigns but i couldnt find exactly how it should be dine on the WP:AFD page. Smith Jones (talk) 18:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.