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The result was delete. Although limited participation the quality of the discussion is high with well argued delete arguments that have been tested Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BLP of a single-market radio broadcaster, not properly sourced as clearing our notability standards for radio broadcasters. As always, radio hosts are not automatically notable just because it's technically verifiable that they exist -- but the only advanced notability claim here is that he won a minor journalism award that doesn't get enough media coverage to be a notability-making award per WP:ANYBIO (as witness the fact that there are no sources indicating when he won it, or what piece or pieces of work he won it for). And of the nine footnotes, one is just a redundant repetition of one of the others, so there are really only eight sources -- but of those eight, three come from his own employer and one comes from a university j-school magazine, none of which are notability-making sources, and the four that are okay are all just same-day coverage of the initial announcement of his hiring for his job, with no evidence of ongoing coverage about his work in the job. This is not enough sourcing to make a single-station local radio host notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Bearcat (talk) 00:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 00:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 00:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete a non-notable one market broadcast figure.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Firstly, I will acknowledge that Bearcat is a seasoned WP editor of good repute. So, I will not fault their judgement, and will not hesitate to go with what they finally decide. But, I find it hard to believe that this is an AFD that we should be chasing. I am a self-confessed "keep"ist, in that I would vote keep as long as there is a reasonable amount of material that exists out there that proves WP:NOTABILITY / WP:GNG. My rationale being that if something meets the bar (however low) and does not lower the quality, authenticity, and reliability of Wikipedia at an aggregate -- the article can stay. What is the marginal cost of a 'keep'. Zero, as long as it doesn't lower the quality, authenticity, and reliability of Wikipedia at an aggregate. Secondly, In today's OTT market, there is no concept of a "one-market broadcast figure". Without going into semantics, all shows produced are national (nay, make that global!). Thirdly, in keeping with standards for WP:BLP and WP:GNG, the subject of the article has coverage in multiple media sources, each being WP:RS in their own right -- Vancouver Sun [1][2] [3], The Globe and Mail [4][5][6], Georgia Straight [7][8], and CBC News [9](can't fault the owner to be a WP:RS news source as well). Fifthly, at the risk of being accused of WP:OSE please have a look at Category:CBC Radio hosts. Cheers and good luck. Ktin (talk) 23:12, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, Category:CBC Radio hosts is filled with hosts of national CBC Radio programming, not hosts of the local morning or afternoon shows in every individual city where the CBC airs local morning or afternoon shows — and no, for the purposes of passing our notability requirements for broadcasters, we don't reify local hosts into national hosts just because radio stations have web streams now.

And when it comes to the sources, you're not really building the case you think you are. From the Vancouver Sun, you've provided the initial announcement of his hiring and a blurb which just namechecks his existence as the moderator of an upcoming panel discussion — but we're looking for sources that are substantively about him, not sources that just mention him in the process of being about something else. From the Globe and Mail, you provided the initial announcement of his hiring and two links where he's not the subject of the pieces but the bylined author of them — but a person doesn't get an article by being the author of coverage of other things, he gets an article by being the subject of coverage written by other people. From the Georgia Straight, you've provided (yet again) the initial announcement of his hiring and the fact that he once won a category in its "Best of Local Stuff" reader poll — but local alt-weekly reader polls aren't notability-clinching awards in and of themselves. And when it comes to journalists, yes, we do consider coverage from the person's own employer to be less valuable than coverage from external sources — it's not a question of whether the CBC is reliable or not, it's a question of whether the CBC is independent of the subject or not. And even the context in which that CBC link exists — "woot woot, our employee was named in a listicle of prominent local figures in a local interest magazine" — still isn't a notability-securing context.

So in reality, all you've really shown that speaks to notability is a multiheaded WP:BLP1E blip of "person gets hired for job" pieces the day his hiring was announced, and nothing else that actually builds notability at all. Bearcat (talk) 12:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat, I am genuinely curious. Did you even click on the category link before making that statement that you have made above? Ktin (talk) 03:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I actually work with it on a regular basis, because Canadian media (broadcasting, literature and film) is literally my primary editing area on here. I will grant that CBC Radio has had a fair number of employees who crossed the local-vs-national distinction by having had local roles at one time in their career and national ones at another — people can Matt Galloway it by hosting a local show for years and then going national, and people can Jeff Douglas it by hosting a national show for years and then deciding to move on to one of the local shows because they're tired of the pace of life in Toronto and want to move back to a smaller city again. But if a person has crossed that divide, then their basis for notability is the national hosting gig, not the local one — and there are also sometimes cases where a person who has only been a local host and thus is not strictly notable as a broadcaster per se also has some other claim of notability besides broadcasting, such as writing (Waub Rice) or politics (Joann Roberts) or receiving the Order of Canada (Andy Barrie). But we don't deem local radio hosts notable for being local radio hosts per se — we do sometimes have articles about people who have other notability claims and then oh by the way were also local CBC Radio hosts at some point in their career, but that's not the same thing as deeming them notable because of the local CBC hosting gig per se. Bearcat (talk) 12:55, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Barely found anything about him aside from him taking over as host of CBC’s "The Early Edition", perhaps an indication of WP:BLP1E. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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