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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Sevian (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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No notability outside national level. SunCreator (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep His rating is less than 100 points below Kayden Troff, even though he is two years younger. He is far stronger than players like Bobby Fischer and Magnus Carlsen (both chess prodigies) were at age 9. As such, I think he is clearly notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Krakatoa (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kayden Troff notability isn't from his FIDE rating. In fact we've deleted IM's that have otherwise no notability. So this FIDE rating assertion is wearing a little thin. I would ask you to exmplain in what way WP:ATH is fulfilled by anything about Samuel Sevian. SunCreator (talk) 21:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Yes, I did pester the article's creator about the quality of the references provided while the article still had a prod tag (mine!), but in the end he did deliver the goods (see talk page), and this young prodigy has been noticed by enough reliable sources to meet our notability requirements. I'm the prodder, but I'm also the deprodder. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reading the talk page, it seems that the only sources he was able to produce were blogs - or are we counting the the LA Times article that doesn't appear to be online anywhere?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, we're talking about the LA Times article. Most newspapers do not post their entire archives online, just the most important stuff. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 05:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Actually he did achieve notability outside the nation level. His current FIDE rating is 2119. Witch make him the highest rated player 9 and under (including 9 years, 11 months and 29 days). Plus he just turn 9 year old, less then 3 weeks ago. GSP-Rush (talk) 01:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So what notability is there outside the national level? SunCreator (talk) 12:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Like i sayed his the top rank player in world for his age group ( everyone under 10 ). And if you tell me that not inuff then you would have 2 other article to delete. Nicholas Nip, Kayden Troff. These guys have won game outside of the USFC ( like Sevian ) but haven't been publish or won high title other then in the USA. Ther are also many Rock Band that are restricted to Canada or the USA or even a states or a province. You would half to delete all of them.

Ther millions and millions of article about people who have achieved notability in a small states or a small province. If you delete this article because of that reason then your gonna half to follow true whit the million and million of article about local stars. GSP-Rush (talk)

Notability at a national level is still notability. Just because all reliable sources come from the same country doesn't mean they should be tossed aside as meaningless. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 03:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Don't quite understand the nominator's reasoning - one doesn't have to be internationally known to have an article on Wikipedia. A FIDE rating of 2119 at age 9 does seem to be notable. Some more reliable sources would be nice, though.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notability. For people that is WP:BIO and for a chess players being a sport that's WP:ATH. Chess players normally qualify by being a GM or in some way competed at the highest amateur level of a sport; for example a top tournament or an Olypiad. Juniors would normally be notable from World Youth Chess Championship, European Junior Chess Championship or simliar, although notice most of the winners don't have a wiki article. There is no notability from a FIDE rating as it does not help WP:ATH. Another way to establish notability from WP:BIO is to have significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. There is claim in this article of 'featured in an article of Los Angeles Times' although no such article seems to exist; as least not online. SunCreator (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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