The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Jayjg ^(talk) 18:46, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BLP1E. All the information about this individual is summarized at Charles Whitman, including this section. Ricky81682 (talk) 20:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. WP:BLP1E states: "If the event is significant and the individual's role within it is substantial, a separate biography may be appropriate." Martinez was a major player in a very notable event. In combination with the bits about suing the producers, the memoirs, and the George Parr task force, I think Wikipedia is better served by having this as a stand-alone article. Location (talk) 01:04, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to Charles Whitman#Houston McCoy and Ramiro Martinez. As Amatulić has suggested, I would like to see this information in an article specifically about the event (e.g. 1966 University of Texas tower shooting). While the background details of Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy are not terribly notable or important on their own, they do give us a better picture of who these men are/were. I am concerned that we lose this with deletion or a straight redirect without the merge (as what has happened with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houston McCoy). If Wikipedia can include inconsequential details on Whitman's father (e.g. his father was raised at Bethesda School For Boys and opened a sewage plumbing business) and Whitman himself (e.g. he was altar boy who took the name "Joseph", he took piano lessons for five years, etc.), I would think some background for the men who stopped Whitman would also be in order. Location (talk) 20:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge, along with the Houston McCoy article also under AfD, into a more comprehensive article about the notable event. This could be the Charles Whitman article, or a new article specifically about the event. It's the event that deserves the article, not biographies about the individual law enforcement officers who got a brief moment of fame from a single event. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:14, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as non-notable per WP:BLP1E. Martinez and McCoy are adequately and appropriately covered at Charles Whitman. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:05, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Whitman is only notable for one day. Martinez has been famous for decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.255.164.27 (talk) 01:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per Jack Merridew, this is a one event that's not notable and should be deleted as such. --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:BLP1E. Any relevant information in this short article can be merged to Charles Whitman. SnottyWong ^{spill the beans} 14:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I struck my above comment since I changed my mind. I reread the article and feel there are enough other info to allow this to be kept. --CrohnieGal^Talk 15:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There is nothing gained by cutting out valid information and shoving the rest into another article. By merge, did you mean redirect? What information if any would be put over there? He is known for that event, and his book, and the lawsuit against the movie which he won. Notable enough to have his own article. Dream Focus 06:14, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, merging doesn't mean redirect but they can amount to the same thing. Merging means incorporating material from this article into a different article where notability is not a concern. Even if the article was redirected rather than deleted, nothing is lost — the edit history will still be there so the material can always be merged at a later time. This is preferable to outright deletion when useful material exists in an article that doesn't meet criteria for inclusion. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep BLP1E doesnt apply per ongoing coverage. Seems to be a regular hero. No hint of this being an attack page and no reason to think the subject objects to publicity as he self published a memoir. FeydHuxtable (talk) 21:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and Redirect. He only appears to be known for his actions regarding the sniper shootings. Yes, he has received ongoing coverage, but it would be better treated as part of the article on the shootings. The coverage isn't so extensive as to warrant a separate article. Quantpole (talk) 10:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Remember, he is known for three events. T3h 1337 b0y 21:52, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.