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The result was delete. This clearly can't stand as a standalone article and the option of merge is only valid if there is a clear target. The keep side essentially go for notability by assertion or inheritance or simple disagreement with the GNG and the delete side cite guildelines and policy so by measuring consensus against policy this turns into a delete. Should a consensus on a merge target emerge, im more then willing to review this with a view to merging, Spartaz ^Humbug! 05:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Radiance War (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

The Radiant Seas is a marginally notable book; its current article is nothing but an ample plot summary. Someone decided that even more plot summary was needed and created this article about a plot element in that book. This "war" has no notability outside of the book, and this much plot summary is not needed on Wikipedia. The relevant policies are WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:WAF. Attempts to simply redirect were contested by the main contributor. Savidan 18:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into the relevant section of Catherine Asaro, trimming most of what's here in the process. Jclemens (talk) 21:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The major driving point in a series of notable(they have their own wikipedia articles don't they?) novels. Dream Focus 23:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete — utterly non-notable ;) Jack Merridew 08:05, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 13:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep since I disagree with the proposed wp:fiction guidelines and hold by inherited notability. And this is definitely a central article to the whole Saga of the Skolian Empire series. BTW, if the result will be a merge, it should be into Saga of the Skolian Empire, and not Catherine Asaro. 18:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)Debresser (talk)
• merge I think we have to accept the work as firmly, not marginally, notable on the basis of the awards listed in its article. In that case major olot elements should have a discussion, but generally not a separate article. I do not hold by the general concept of inherited notability, if only because there's no place where it would stop. What we need is a compromise on what is and is not worth an article/section/redirect/deletion. Putting in every plot element of every novel in this much detail is nonsense, if this is an encyclopedia. Eliminating them entirely & not having even redirects is equal nonsense. AfDs by their nature make it a choice between the two equally unsuitable extremes. A compromise would avoid them. DGG (talk) 01:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, they don't. AFD only determines whether an administrator pushes the delete button. Ordinary editorial actions, such as redirection, merger, rewriting, or indeed expansion, are within the remits of all editors, even those without accounts. Deciding to not have an administrator push a delete button does not preclude deciding elsewhere, in the normal way, on some ordinary editorial action to be taken. Uncle G (talk) 13:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 02:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, no evidence of independent notability. Mintrick (talk) 03:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.