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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:29, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Philipp of Hesse (b. 1970) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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A contested prod. Subject doesn't appear to meet the general notability guidelines. All news archive coverage seems to be about his grandfather of the same name. Rotten regard 17:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The House of Hesse now seems rather obscure since Hesse was annexed by Prussia in 1866 and Germany became a republic in 1918, this person is only a second son of the current head of the house and so seems unlikely ever to become the head. PatGallacher (talk) 17:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • One source refers him as (potential) claimant to the Finnish throne. That means he is already head (of the Finnish royal house). But I can't judge the source is reliable or not. If it is reliable -> Keep, it is not reliable -> Delete. Genealogiajapan (talk) 18:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • The source, I say, is Article about the House of Hesse and the throne of Finland Helsingin Sanomat (in Finnish). Genealogiajapan (talk) 18:25, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately not many of us can read Finnish. The short-lived attempt to instal a monarchy in Finland in 1918 is pretty obscure in itself, but even if it had some validity, the head of the Finnish royal house is this person's father. "Potential claimant" is open to interpretation. PatGallacher (talk) 19:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think you're true. This article didn't describe why he(Prince Phillip) is a claimant. But family tree of the source(Page 4) seems to treat him as claimant VAINO IV. I don't know why. Genealogiajapan (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Election of his ancestor less than 100 years ago to become King of Finland is covered in the relevant Wikipedia articles as a noteworthy event. Article cited above provides coverage of descendant's connection to/prospects for that throne. Additional references to him are made in such reputable Burke's Guide to the Royal Family, Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Le Petit Gotha, Queen Victoria's Descendants and other reputable on royalty. As a photographer who's been published in Vanity Fair, there's potential for discovering more noteworthy coverage. FactStraight (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per the comments by FactStraight and additional references. The members of the German, and other deposed houses are still notable for instance his wedding was reported on.[1] - dwc lr (talk) 23:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment So basically you're both saying this persons most significant achievement was being born? As it stands now there certainly isn't anything like significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that is required to meet the notability guidelines. Rotten regard 23:25, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep He's a legit noble. Theres plenty of secondary sourcing. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 23:27, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not notable. --Shorthate (talk) 00:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Quite a bit about his Nazi grandfather but I could find hardly anything about him, so therefore not notable. Stowonthewolder (talk) 16:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete He isn't notable according to the WP:GNG. Morefoolhim 21:03, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Legit nobility - and yes, their claims to an article may come down to them just being born! Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, despite being nobility he doesn't seem notable. Plaintive plaintiff (talk) 19:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Tricky one, on the surface I thought notable but after digging a bit I found very little to show notability. Bruddersohn (talk) 23:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete He's not notable. --Elongated shorty (talk) 22:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I see that Savannah Phillips, a great-granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth II of the UK, redirects to her father Peter. So if even the great-grandchildren of the best known reigning monarch at the moment are not regarded as inherently notable (they may be notable for additional reasons e.g. being high up the line of succession) then I question whether we should regard very minor royal figures like this person as notable. PatGallacher (talk) 20:48, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No evidence has been provided of the subject passing the general notability guideline, and I can see no reason why a "royal" without any past, present or future constitutional role should be considered an exception to that guideline. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.