This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep.

I count 7 "delete" votes to 13 "keep" votes (one vandal and one troll discounted). A few of the "keep" voters added comments that indicate that they do not yet understand the meaning or purpose of Wikipedia:verifiable but there still is clearly no concensus to delete. Rossami (talk) 23:02, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A yet to be released Pokémon game. Much of this article appears to be speculation from a fansite forum. JamesBurns 07:56, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

--JamesBurns nominated Pokémon Diamond and Pearl separately. "Speculation for an unreleased game. ... JamesBurns 10:59, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)" I have merged this here as the same action should be taken for both. Master Thief Garrett^Talk 12:02, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, WP is not a crystal ball. --bainer (talk) 08:59, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - Of vital importance -RicKKK 10:11, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • This was User:RicKKK's first ever edit. JamesBurns 10:35, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • User:RicKKK was blocked for violating policy by choosing a username that is the name of a well known Wikipedia user (RickK). Zzyzx11 (Talk) 12:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep assuming it's accurate. Pokemon games are notable. Everyking 11:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Tough one. The games really are to be published, and being official Pokémon titles, we know that they will very much be notable. However, looking at the biggest video gaming sites, practically nothing is known about the games except that they will be released on the Nintendo DS. I'm going to have to say delete, as I know that they'll be resurrected as soon as more details are available by a more honest Pokémon fan. Jamyskis 12:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Would be a valid topic real soon now, but current content is speculation. Weak keep but cut all nonverifiable text. Radiant_* 12:21, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • Done, although there isn't much left over. Even the official Pokémon site doesn't have anything to say about the games. Jamyskis 12:39, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • • Is this the official American site? Just because they don't mention it, doesn't mean it is nt real. Coro Coro is a better source of information on the games. Sonic Mew 21:49, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Split into two articles, Pokémon Pearl and Pokémon Diamond. They're definitely notable, and almost certain to be released, but why have them as one article? Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:41, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • They are going to be practically the same game, so they are better off together. See: Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, Pokémon Red and Blue, Pokémon Gold and Silver. Splitting would be silly as at this point it would be the same topic duplicated. Sonic Mew 13:07, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Delete - At the moment this clearly a Crytsal Ball article, but by the time this vfd is done, more information will probabily be avalible. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 13:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• KeepJapan has a habit of unleasing info at any moment. A lot of people will find this notable, as it is of current interest. So while this will be rewritten in november, its status at the moment is notable enough to keep. The crystal ball theory shouldn't not be placed on everything unreleased, (such as it is for the next-gen consoles. People want to know about them, so they are not up for deletion.) Sonic Mew 13:07, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Important Comment: I have just realised that everyone has been voting for a different topic to the one up for deletion. Pokémon Pearl and Diamond is up for deletion. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, (the official order,) is already an existing topic which is much more detailed. So I vote to Speedy delete Pokémon Pearl and Diamond and, (for reasons I posted above,) Keep Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. Sonic Mew 13:15, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, fair enough, one should be redirected to the other. But the other topic you pointed us to is still a crystal ball article, and the sites to which the article link only prove what I said earlier - nothing is known about the games yet. My edit of Pokémon Pearl and Diamond is about as NPOV and current as it'll get. Jamyskis 13:19, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Serebii don't update those pages. Note that it even calls Munchlax by its Japanese name 'Gonbe'. It is also a secondary source, as opposed to the magazine scans of Coro Coro, which do prove it. I'm only leaving it because it will be really useful when the games are released. Sonic Mew 14:10, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, and keep that one, to prevent info being added in the wrong places. the wub (talk) 14:49, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect as above due to newly found info. --InShaneee 15:32, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete — a pre-announcement stub with no real content. If the page were more substantial it might be worth saving, but not at the moment. It can be created again once the games are out, if they ever appear. — RJH 16:35, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. Almafeta 18:56, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hang on a minute..You can't put this up twice! It was already up for vfd yesterday, why put it up again? Besides, none is speculation. It is all fact. Look at the Coro Coro magazine scans. This is confirmed information! Munchlax has even appeared in a game and the animé. I vote to delete this vfd as it is already on June 1st. Sonic Mew 13:45, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

• It is the same discussion, moved here. Radiant_* 14:18, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. The game will be notable, and it will be released (look at the extent of secondary information). You can see it coming without resorting to a crystal ball. --Scimitar 15:23, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - I don't think we need two articles on one game. Also, I'm removing the link to this delesion from the "Diamond and Pearl article. Joizashmo 16:30, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - The game is comming out soon. Until that time, this is all we know about it. Joizashmo 16:30, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep redirect Pearl and Diamond to Diamond and Pearl. K1Bond007 18:38, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep (but redirect Pearl and Diamond to Diamond and Pearl). These are games that have been officially announced by Nindendo, folks. Give your Pokemon vendetta a rest, already. Ketsuban (is better than you) 20:02, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• keep please this is no better than attacking schools Yuckfoo 21:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP, The game will eventually come out and get an article anyway. --GVOLTT 14:15, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete speculation -> notability not established, games cruft. Megan1967 03:40, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Does anyone actually look at the Coro Coro scans? I would have thought notability would be established by the word 'Pokémon'! Anything else would be crystalballery. Wikipedia is not paper!. So 'cruft' should not be a reason for deletion, especially as the previous games in the series, (see template on page,) have done so well! These are notable! Sonic Mew 20:32, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, not perhaps of vital global importance, but notable enough for wikipedia. Kappa 21:02, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete notability not established. Leanne 10:33, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Did you read my response to the last person who said that? Sonic Mew 11:55, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

When will the deletion notice will be deleted? Wikilord 16:08, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

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