The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Berry (musician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Lacks notability, recordings are self distributed. Lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources RadioFan (talk) 22:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• A7 No assertation of notability. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 23:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• A7 speedy deletion per TPH. - Dank (push to talk) 04:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • With the improvements to the article, it's clearly no longer speedy-worthy. There are many sources now, but I'm not qualified to judge whether these sources are independent or significant. No vote. - Dank (push to talk) 13:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Sorry, but this artist has reviews in a reliable source[1] and claims releases on a notable label (Subkulture). While notability may or may not exist, there are enough claims of it to fail A7. Please remember that A7 deliberately has a lower standard than indication of notability and this article meets that standard. Regards SoWhy 08:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment this is not an A7; this is an AfD discussion. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know that, but TPH decided to re-tag it A7 after I had declined it, that's why I wanted to point it out. Regards SoWhy 13:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, there seems to be some minor coverage in smaller publications of some of his material, but I really can't see enough to warrant an article. We don't seem to be at the level of "significant coverage in multiple reliable sources" that would allow a reasonable, sourced article to be produced here - I can find very little information available about the artist. ~ mazca ^t|c 17:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails to provide the substantial coverage, or anything else that would qualify him under WP:MUSIC. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I am the author of the article being discussed. I have added a number of points on the article's discussion page that I believe are valid and should be taken into account, in particular to counter the points made on "lack of substantial coverage" and some details that I understand do "qualify him under WP:MUSIC." The artist is also being featured on a compilation by Subkulture Records - a company that is listed on Wikipedia and therefore should be considered a credible release. Special:Contributions/86.133.88.29|86.133.88.29]] (talk) 09:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment that's a lot of links but it's not clear how they establish the notability of this artist. some footnotes would help clear this up.--RadioFan (talk) 18:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I will look to add some footnotes as you suggest as I can see that it would help, though I would like to spend a little time doing this so the article is properly set out. With the possible imminent deletion of the article, this may have to wait until the article's survival or demise is determined!Bezza67 (talk) 18:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I have added some late news: Paul Berry is to played on BBC Introducing with Tom Robinson. BBC is a worldwide recognised broadcaster and Tom Robinson is a well known musician.

Bezza67 (talk) 20:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I wouldn't think a future playing by Tom Robinson is a good indicator of notability. Tom's show 'Introducing' airs after midnight Sunday morning and after midnight Monday morning on BBC Radio 6 Music. This is a digital station, which limits its possibilities for exposure as many people in the UK still don't have DAB equipment. (I don't... And don't plan to, either.) The show's title sums up its purpose - introducing new bands/performers. If you are already notable, you aren't going to get played there. If you aren't notable, you don't get listed here. Peridon (talk) 20:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment BBC 6 Music is not restricted to DAB: it can also be listened to online and via digital TV, which, according to Ofcom, is now available in 22 million UK homes Ofcom which I do not think limits its exposure or availability - and this is just the UK. The scheduling of a programme is, in the online age, less important as the online version can be played at a later time.Bezza67 (talk) 09:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The main point I was making was that the programme is for new acts - and new acts are inherently non-notable.... Peridon (talk) 14:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The programme has played acts that are established: the Enter Shikari track 'Antwerpen' was played on the programme on April 5 2009 and their Wikipedia listing clearly shows that they are not a 'new act' but a successful established act. I do understand the point you make, however I would counter argue that Wikipedia's own criteria for notability (see my comment and details below) are the rules that need to be considered in respect of the Paul Berry article (which I believe support the article's inclusion on Wikipedia) and not the BBC's.Bezza67 (talk) 18:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Under Wikipedia: Notability (music) Criteria for musicians and ensembles, I believe Paul Berry meets two of the criteria: point 1 as there are "multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician" and point 10 due to "inclusion on a compilation album" (which will actually be two albums when the Subkulture compilation is released). Point 7 could also apply if Reverbnation local charts are considered by Wikipedia appropriate, as Paul is listed as the top charting electronica artist in his immediate locality.Bezza67 (talk) 09:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete subject of trivial coverage; does not meet the criteria for musicians of BIO. Eusebeus (talk) 12:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Can you clarify what you mean by "does not meet the criteria for musicians of BIO." as I would like to respond once I have checked the particular criteria you are referring to.Bezza67 (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.