The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 07:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Outline of the Dominican Republic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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While some outlines add value, this appears to hold little that the article should not. Reduplication. Anmccaff (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC) Anmccaff (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep or move to draft space – It is a standard navigation aid, part of the outline system at Portal:Contents/Outlines. All outlines go through this phase of development. A quick look around WP shows that there are hundreds of links that could be added to this outline. If you delete it, you are saying that outlines that are a work-in-progress are not allowed. That defeats the purpose of the wiki (collaboration). In order to grow big, an outline has to start small (just like every other stub). Stubs grow because they are allowed to sit there until people come along and add to them. (That's Wikimagic). Please do not create a gap in the outline system. Also, the outline is currently undergoing overhaul/expansion, which should help speed up its development. Navigation systems are not subject to the redundancy argument. Otherwise, we wouldn't have categories, plus lists (including outlines), plus navigation templates, and so on. For further information about the benefits of redundancy in Wikipedia's navigation systems, see WP:CLN. Someone please close this discussion. Thank you. The Transhumanist 17:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

f you delete it, you are saying that outlines that are a work-in-progress are not allowed. That's a straw man. I am saying that this particular outline, among others, is not a useful addition to Wikipedia, and, no matter how complete, really never will be. Outlines are not universally useful. For some subjects, they are merely needless duplication. That, among others, is one of them. Anmccaff (talk) 17:47, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, not a straw man. I was responding to your observation that the outline "holds little", which is synonymous with "underdeveloped", and the opposite of "holds a lot". But the brunt of your argument is redundancy, which is not a valid deletion argument, per WP:CLN. Also, you have not shown how the outline is not now, nor never will be useful. Not just useless to you, but to users who may have different learning styles than you. Concerning usefulness...

Country outlines are useful in several ways: They are lists, which some users find easier to navigate, and some editors find easier to compile/edit. They all share the same format, which makes it easier to look things up once you get familiar with the order of presentation. This also makes it easier to compare countries. Outlines are a type of tree structure, which show the relationships between the topics by their relative position on the tree. For this reason they serve well as tables of contents, and site maps, which tend to be easier and faster to browse than paragraph/prose format. The scope of each outline is the entire coverage of its subject on Wikipedia. If you cram all this list information into root articles it tends to bloat those to unwieldiness, and usually splits the list up in inconvenient ways and non-standard orders. Outlines are also useful as planning and revision tools (see Outline (list)), and can help WikiProjects develop and maintain Wikipedia's coverage of their respective subjects by providing a bird's eye view. Some of the best country outlines in my opinion are Outline of Iceland, Outline of Japan, Outline of France, and Outline of Australia. The Outline of the Dominican Republic has the potential to be as good as these. The Transhumanist 19:22, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• keep. The nom did not specify duplication of what. As for "value", this is not a an admissible argument in deletion discussions. Staszek Lem (talk) 18:39, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
•  Keep per The Transhumanist’s argument. Nika de Hitch (talk) 22:18, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – the outline has been greatly expanded over the past couple of days, and now compares to other well-developed country outlines. See before and after.   The Transhumanist 23:22, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Standard sort of navigational page. Not seeing any compelling reason to delete. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:23, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest there is nothing standard about a little-used system that comes close to being a one-man show. Anmccaff (talk) 19:40, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:STAND:

Outlines, from the general (Outline of mathematics) to the somewhat specific (Outline of algebraic structures), are part of Wikipedia's Contents navigation system, and are indexed at Portal:Contents/Outlines. A type of tree structure, they are hierarchies of subjects organized as a structured list including headings, subheadings, and list items (usually bulleted, and preferably annotated). For more information, see outline (list), and WikiProject Outlines.

Unless you're saying that countries are not topics and don't belong among the outlines at Portal:Contents/Outlines, it's a standard sort of navigational page. Regardless, I wouldn't agree that they aren't topics. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 20:15, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.