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The result was speedy keep. Impru has a number of related example AFD and more can be found here. The one upcoming election in a country does not violate crystal and can contain sourced information about what is known. (non-admin closure) Reywas92^Talk 20:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Mostly WP:CRYSTAL . Page is about a undefined and unspecific future event - The detail in the article does not relate to that event - no one knows what that detail will be until it happens closer to its due date in three years time. An article will be created for the next election but it will be specific and have detail and references appropriate for the specific event not the current mishmash copied from somewhere. Andrewgprout (talk) 08:01, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 08:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Speedy keep. It's customary practice in Wikipedia to create articles for next elections whenever there is information available for them, and in this case there is (i.e. opinion polling). The article passes WP:CRYSTAL, because of it being a notable event that is almost certain to take place (unless you crystal-ball yourself another unlikely, cataclismic event that prevents the election from being held at all); because all of the information sourced within the article being verifiable; and because no attempt is being made at predicting or presuming the future. It would be like arguing that 2024 United States presidential election goes against CRYSTAL because of it being four years away in time, despite it being explicitly shown as one example of what WP:CRYSTAL is not. There is even a specific naming convention explicitly regulating such articles: For future elections of uncertain date, use a form similar to Next Irish general election.

Also note that this is not the first case of a "next" election article being proposed for AfD: past precedent shows that these are typically kept because of the aforementioned reasons: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. It should (and likely will) end up the same way here. Impru20^talk 09:58, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or rather wait until the election is being discussed and create a spcific dated page at that point namedl 2023 New Zealand general election. If this was notible now there would be reliable sources discussing it there isn't at least not within the current article. The article currently lists parties and individuals and it is purely crystal ball gazing to assume this detail has anything to do with the next election. The event is currenly unplanned with no date so does not pass WP:CRYSTAL. Andrewgprout (talk) 12:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are the nominator. You can't post a separate delete !vote, since it's assumed your nomination counts as such. Plus, you have not even cared to refute any of the evidence that I (or Number 57 for that matter) presented against your case, nor seem to provide a clear reasoning as to why this article constitutes CRYSTAL other than "the event is currently unplanned" or that it is "not dated", which shows a misconception on how CRYSTAL actually works (the policy explicitly states that Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place. It means that you can create articles on foreseeable future events that are notable and almost certain to take place. It's not an entitlement to delete an article on a future event just because the exact date is not yet determined. Please care to read the policy before building an argument out of that).

Alternatively, you hint at us somehow needing to wait until 2023 for this article to be created, entirely ruling out the perfectly legal possibility of a snap election taking place at some point earlier on. Overall, it's your nomination the one that seems based on speculation, assumptions and crystal-balled material.

As per the above and considering the exposed arguments, I'm changing my !vote to "speedy keep" under WP:SKCRIT#3. Impru20^talk 13:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy keep Standard practice to have 'next election' articles. See Next United Kingdom general election, Next Spanish general election, Next Italian general election, Next Japanese general election, Next Australian federal election. Opinion polling is already available for the election, so there is information specific to it available. WP:Trout for the nomination and a double trout for doubling down on it and (incorrectly) adding a 'delete' vote after Impru comprehensively dismantled their case. Number 57 13:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Trout also for thinking the correct course of action here was ctrl+a backspace.  Nixinova   T   C   19:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep Well within the remit of WP:CRYSTAL and standard practice. XOR'easter (talk) 19:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep Obviously. This is standard practice for elections. Googling "2023 New Zealand election" brings up quite a few articles of post-election analysis by media and what the stakes might be in 3 years time. Everything is sourced and the only CRYSTAL is the nominator thinking somehow there won't be a "next" election.  Nixinova   T   C   19:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as is standard practice for future elections (e.g. the American 2024 elections which are even further into the future). As an upcoming election it is already being polled. The procedure for settling the date and conduct of the election is established relevant information. Sjakkalle (Check!) 20:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep <edit conflict> Classic case of a train wreck nomination. I've waited till now as I had expected that the nominator will withdraw this, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Afd isn't cleanup. Of course this is a notable event. The only thing that we don't know is when the election will be held, hence "Next" in the article name. Schwede66 20:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep and Whale per standard practice. ser! (let's discuss it). 20:51, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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