The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. After 7 days (minus some change) there appears to be a consensus that the subject passes WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Navah Perlman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Notability. This person is not known as a performer, she hasn't made any impact on the classical music world, she's not even a professional musician, and she's only known as the daughter of a well known violinist Karljoos (talk) 17:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Plenty of cites given in article to show notability, and there are plenty more out there. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Comment. This person is not known as a performer, she hasn't made any impact on the classical music world, she's not even a professional musician, and she's only known as the daughter of a well known violinist (Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Invalid criteria and Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Family). She doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles.

Note. The above unsigned post was made by the nominator, whose nomination already "counts" as a delete !vote. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 18:51, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. It was a mistake, sorry. --Karljoos (talk) 18:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't reviewed those, but she definitely meets the General notability guideline, and she is a professional musician, as is already shown in the article. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep, speedy close. I forecast snow. As Sarek accurately points out, there are hundreds of pertinent Google News hits, demonstrating notability, and a few recent examples demonstrate that while her early press may have centered on her family background, she's now clearly notable in her own right. [1] [2] Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - not eligible for WP:Speedy keep unless nom withdraws, as it's an apparent good-faith nomination. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. To be honest, I had never heard of this person before. Reading the article it seems like her notability comes from being a relative of Itzak. There're thousands of musicians with careers like hers. As I said, I think that not every professional musician is worth an article on Wikipedia. Reading her music achievements she doesn't seem notable for her profession. Thank you --Karljoos (talk) 19:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Solo album "Debut" released by EMI, 2001; Schubert and Shostakovich piano trios on Telarc, 2008 (Perlman/Schmidt/Bailey Trio); The Courier Journal, October 4, 2004 (review of solo recital); Hartford Courant, January 15, 2004 (feature article); Los Angeles Times, January 23, 2001 (review of solo recital). Notability is clear. ReverendWayne (talk) 00:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep - Notability has previously been readily demonstrated. ceranthor 01:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • As above, not eligible for speedy keep. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that most editors agree that this performer is worth an article on Wikipedia so I won't pursue this, and I'm sorry for the trouble. Thanks--Karljoos (talk) 08:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD was speedy closed at this point, after which the following comment was added. Reverting non-admin closure and reopening discussion.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Though I may be late in this discussion, I agree with Karljoos. I'm pretty well connected but I had never heard of Navah Perlman until recently, and I certainly don't think her career merits a Wikipedia article for her achievements - if we can use this word - so far. I doubt her name would have even been considered for an article were she not Itzhak's daughter. I therefore support the deletion of the relevant article. MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It's true that she's the daughter of a famous violinist, but that makes it notable that she's continuing (successfully) in the same field. She has also shown staying power. Yoninah (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 21:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The standard isn't "notability in her field"; it's "notability". From the comments here, this sort of looks like a "Pete Best" situation. While being linked or related to a notable person doesn't confer notability in Wikipedia, in the real world it can sometimes drive "derivative" notability, as with Best. The key distinction is: are there quality reliable sources on which to develop an article, and do those articles indicate some sort of notability, even if it's the circle notability of "famous for being famous"...? Studerby (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I do not accept the above view, but I think that her recordings are sufficient for notability. Why were they not mentioned in the article in the first place? DGG ( talk ) 23:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.