The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. Don't let me forget to get it out of the navbox as well. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Article lacks notability and contains original research. The article was prodded and the tag was removed by User:OldakQuill, so here it comes to AFD. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 15:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The article fails WP:N (and WP:FICT etc, all the derivatives). Most of it violates WP:OR, WP:NOT#PLOT. It is duplicative of other articles on Sonic the Hedgehog characters and fictional universe (many of which are questionable themselves). Also, to clarify, the article was not only prodded but deleted (by an admin, after the prod was uncontested for 5+ days). The prod was 'contested' by restoring the article after deletion. The only reason the article has been around since 2004 (the reason for the contention, the restoring admin hasn't addressed any of the issues mentions mentioned above; hardly surprising, since it's impossible) is that the article is so ridiculously obscure as to pass unnoticed (there's been way less than 50 edits to it since that time). Bridies (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC) 16:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep combination articles of this sort are a good way of dealing with this type of characters, notable inthe aggregate but not individually. DGG (talk) 04:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What characters? This article isn't even about a group of named characters. It's about a word used to describe the inhabitants of a fictional planet: Sonic Underground also depicts a Mobius inhabited principally by Mobians. Again, 'Mobians' are not notable 'in the aggregate'. Bridies (talk) 10:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Fabrictramp. Character that aren't notable for a "List of minor character" should just not be here. JuJube (talk) 04:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete reference search showed up nothing to elevate this to an encyclopedia topic. Close to speedy for no context. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 14:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above, and re-educate the kids who make this kind of stuff. There are wikis out there that try to make a comprehensive catalog of in-game-universe stuff. Wikipedia is not one of them. Our articles are meant to be written in a real-world context. Is there some project that can help with this? Seems like a recurring problem with video game stuff. Friday (talk) 14:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• This is actually part of what WP:VG is doing right now. We're trying to deal with a lot of fancruft right now. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 16:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:N. Not everything mentioned or implied in a notable entertainment franchise needs its own article. Edison (talk) 18:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 09:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to a Sonic article of some sort. If not possible, delete. MuZemike (talk) 19:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• That's not possible. There's nowhere to put it, and right now WP:VG and WP:SEGA are working to control the Sonic fancruft like this. Part of why this AFD is here. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 22:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete not notable. No individual mobian, nor together as mobians. Fails the WP:GNG because the required sources do not exist. Randomran (talk) 01:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep per Wikipedia:Five pillars (notability to a real-world audience, consistent with a “specialized encyclopedia” concerning verifiable fictional topics with importance in the real world) and What Wikipedia is. Sufficient editor and astonishingly high reader interest and notability/verifiability. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 03:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.