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The result was WITHDRAWN‎. JFHJr (㊟) 04:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• WP:Articles for deletion/Marc Edelman (2nd nomination)
• WP:Articles for deletion/Marc Edelman

Twice-deleted unreferenced article. No indicia of WP:GNG or cites to WP:RS. This appears to be the result of relentless self-promotion. JFHJr (㊟) 02:20, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and New York. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:28, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Clear pass of of this anthropologist in WP:Prof#C1 with 13 papers with over 100 cites each and h-index of 40 in GS. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC).[reply]

  The citation metrics section in that guideline makes it clear (see bullets 1 and 4) that reliance solely on these indices is not reasonable. There should be unrelated, third-party citations to support the biographical text and whatever assertions of notability. JFHJr (㊟) 03:04, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are a little less than 9673 unrelated third party citations to his work: see WP:Prof, which is the proper guideline for this field. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC).[reply]

• Keep - I just added one source, which was pretty easy to find. A glance through, looks like there is probably sourcing for all of this, including each of the books listed. The problem is that whoever created this didn't do that, or maybe never even knew it was a requirement. The creating editor has this sub page User:Danielonthehudson/sandbox that indicates they were just a student working on this in 2019. We could probably tidy up, source, and save this article. — Maile (talk) 02:56, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  You cite to his employer, its profile for him on the university website. It's not uncommon for professors to write their own bios for university websites. It indicates he exists. It doesn't indicate his significance or notability though. JFHJr (㊟) 03:18, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Sourcing on this is a work in progress right now. Do you think you could back down a little and let me research?. There is considerable online info and interviews about this guy on the web. Don't be so hasty to kill this. — Maile (talk) 03:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This is NOT the Marc Edelman of sports law whose articles were previously deleted, as can be seen by looking at those deletion discussions. This Marc Edelman has been the president of the American Ethnologial Society. JFHJr, the criteria for academics is WP:NPROF and is followed at AfD. StarryGrandma (talk) 04:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. I'll continue the bibliography above, checking each ISBN against the Library of Congress and/or others, tomorrow sometime. This particular academic published a lot. I think we can save this one. — Maile (talk) 04:29, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need a full bibliography, just a handful of the most important ones. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC).[reply]

• Not the same person... That's most convincing. I'm withdrawing the nomination. But please don't let that stop anyone who's gathering cites. Anything third party. It would be helpful to support the biographical content and identify his most important publications. The long, long list led me to believe it was the same subject as the first two AfDs. Thank you, StarryGrandma, Maile66, and Xxanthippe JFHJr (㊟) 04:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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