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The result was keep. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of roads in Ipoh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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we only have roads lists in WP for major series of roads like List of A roads in Northern Ireland, or lists containing many notable roads. none of the roads in this article are notable, and secondly no sources are supplied so there could be original research. LibStar (talk) 06:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. czar · · 06:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. czar · · 06:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. czar · · 06:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Ipoh is quite a notable place as there are several books about it such as Ipoh: When Tin was King The roads of the town naturally form a part of this topic, especially as Ipoh is famous for its street food. An index or list of the roads is a natural spinoff from the main article due to the extensive renaming of the roads after independence and the association of the names with people important in the history of the place. This is not OR as links to sources are provided such as Malayan Street Names, What They Mean and Whom They Commemorate. This is consistent with Wikipedia's role as a gazeteer, providing information about place names, and our editing policy is to keep not delete such material. Warden (talk) 07:28, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Ipoh is quite a notable place" is not an argument for why a list of roads is notable. No doubt Ipoh is notable but does not follow that its list of roads therefore inherits notability. Secondly, None of the claims in the article are cited which I suspect is OR. Wikipedia's role as a gazeteer, so perhaps we should list every street, lane and road in the world? Your arguments fail to convince me. LibStar (talk) 07:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, - The roads & Ipoh aren't notable. →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 07:37, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP - Since the 7th May It's been heavily edited/improved ALOT, Certainly alot more encyclopedic than before!. -
    

→Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 16:39, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:IINFO/WP:DIRECTORY. Once you strip out the OR, you're left with little. I will comment, however, that the arguments centering on notability here are mistaking notability of an article subject with article content. We don't require article content to be notable, rather, we regulate article content through WP:UNDUE. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 08:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  thanks, my point is if the roads listed in the article it would add to notability. but also arguing the subject is not notable. LibStar (talk) 08:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – We have Category:Lists of roads by country and even List of Farm to Market Roads in North Texas. The category Category:Farm to Market Roads in Texas has 397 entries. I cannot see why roads in Malaysia would be inherently less notable than roads in the US. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 14:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply WP:OSE. And for the record, farm-to-market roads are major state and county roads in Texas. This is a list with the aim of covering all thoroughfares in a city. Somewhat different. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 15:45, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I see no evidence that that is the aim of this article, and, if it is, then that aim can be changed without deleting the whole list. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:31, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Update I have done some work to expand and improve the article. The assumptions and assertions of the nay-sayers above are thereby refuted. Warden (talk) 23:19, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

it still is a directory of non notable roads, and my nomination and counter argument that there is no inherent notability of lists of roads stands. LibStar (talk) 05:34, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• It does not have the style of a commercial directory such as Yellow Pages. Instead, it has a historical perspective which fits our style well. The notability of the topic has been established, per WP:LISTN, by referencing good sources which discuss the topic in detail. The details stand up when verified and so your false claim of OR is refuted. The idea of inherent notability is not essential because we have actual sources and there are more to come. But the general idea of inherent notability is that there are types of topic for which good sources can always be found. Historic streets in major cities seem to have this character and this case confirms it.

When I'm done with this page, I'll be expanding the article about a street in San Francisco which was recently at AFD. The two places have much in common - mining ports which were boom towns and both rebuilt after a disaster around 1900. As one researches the topic, it is interesting to compare such parallels - the importance of a well-surveyed street grid, the famous brothels, the way that names for places are established, &c.

Warden (talk) 08:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Given the work done on the article, it would now appear appropriate to keep it. Bondegezou (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and clean up, now that the article is somewhat improved with references to RS. The formatting is currently a mess, though, with overlapping text. Miniapolis 12:26, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Overlapping? It looks ok to me so perhaps that depends on the browser, settings or screen size. Warden (talk) 15:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• I get this problem too. Let's discuss it at Talk:List of roads in Ipoh#Overlapping content as it has no bearing on this deletion discussion. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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