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The result was redirect to Chabad house. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I am curious to see what the community thinks. This article, and the associated List of Chabad Houses in Israel, is completely unverified and, in my opinion, falls foul of WP:NOTDIR: none of these individual houses appears to be notable in its own right, unlike, say, List of synagogues in the United States. The URLs added to a number of these entries do not make it any less of a directory; on the contrary. Drmies (talk) 03:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• I don't know whether lists like this are common on Wikipedia or not. But when you write that "none of these individual houses appears to be notable in its own right" it may be that you not familiar with Chabad houses. Many of them are notable in their own right, at least, like large churches they erect multi-million dollar buildings, attract thousands of people ot their programs, get profiled in newspapers and books, and so forth. More of them ought to to have Wikipedia pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.E.Moeller (talk • contribs) 20:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and Redirect to List of synagogues to avoid duplicate lists and WP:LISTCRUFT and because all Chabad houses are basically synagogues, first and foremost, headed by rabbis and their wives. Chabad houses are important, often the only Jewish places of worship and respite in a wide region. Each Chabad house should be matched to the country on the List of synagogues. IZAK (talk) 02:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge. The whole reason "List of Chabad houses" is a problem is because basically none of them are notable enough to have their own articles, making the list a linkfarm. That problem wouldn't be solved by merging to "List of synagogues." Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:27, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - In many cases, Chabad houses are the only Jewish life - certainly Orthodox Jeiwish life - in that location, and are a large percentage of the Jewish life in the entire country. Sometimes, however, there is little to say about the place except that it exists. Chabad itself is certainly notable; there are plenty of references to it in sources outside the Jewish community. (I do not know if there was anything notable about the Chabad House in Mumbai, but terroritsts seem to have thought it important enough to target - I think that says something in and of itself.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mzk1 (talk • contribs) [1]

Note - I am not commenting on whether this should be merged or not, as long as nothing is deleted.Mzk1 (talk) 07:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not a directory, none are otherwise notable. JFW | T@lk 07:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You write "none are otherwise notable", but this is untrue. Chabad House at Harvard, Chabad House at Rutgers University, Chabad of Boca Raton, Chabad of Southampton, Nariman House (site of the terrorist massacre in Mumbai) and UCLA Chabad House are all on the list. And all are notable enough to have articles. Many more Chabad Houses should have articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.E.Moeller (talk • contribs) 14:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - In Canada, Chabad houses are important for Orthodox Jews. Only in Montreal city, we have 21 Chabad Houses . I believe it's same importance in Toronto urbain and Vancouver. I know the Chabad houses works hard to plan with great Jewish events in differents Campus in Canada: Meet, greet, eat and socialize with other Jewish in a warm atmosphere. Enjoy and kiss for all --Geneviève (talk) 17:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Genevieve: Thanks for your comments, but you are creating more problems by stating that there are at least 21 Chabad houses in Montreal. Hopefully you do not expect, and are not implying, that each of those is "notable" and should be "listed" individually because usually what happens is that there is the first and main Chabad house in a city or town and from that branches keep on sprouting. It would be a direct violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY to list every last Chabad house on Earth, that following your math, would run into the thousands eventually which would be absurd. Perhaps there could be an article about History of Chabad in Montreal that could then cover all aspects of Chabad life that would include noting some Chabad houses, but it would be far-fetched to claim that every last of the 21 Montreal Chabad houses qualify as WP:NOTABLE when there are dozens of other synagogues of all denominations in Montreal as in every city that do not and should not get articles or be put on WP lists. Kindly note that Wikipedia is not Chabad.org to violate WP:NOTMYSPACE and WP:UNDUE. Thanks for your understanding, IZAK (talk) 22:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Oupssss sorry to violate.... I am very sorry. Thank you for your opinion Izak and sorry for my big error. I am new person among you in English Wikipedia (only 19 day). I spoke honestly about the movement generally, not 1 or 20 or 102 each Chabad House. I will thank so much for your suggestion for writing a Wiki page History of Chabad in Montreal: it is very important project but I am very incompetent to write on. Because first I am Reconstructionist and second I am very busy at present with my project page User:Genevieve2/sandbox07 and many Bibliography of Women Rabbis on Wikipedia . תודה Thank --Geneviève (talk) 23:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have just added short artocles for Chabad of Bangkok and Chabad of Venice. There are men, many notable Chabad houses that should have articles.User:A.E.Moeller —Preceding undated comment added 17:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC).[reply]
  • Hi A.E.Moeller: See my response at User talk:A.E.Moeller#Redundant and poorly written articles. Because it's important and pertains to this subject I will repost what I wrote to you: Thank you for your recent contributions. I have read what you wrote but you have created very poorly written, repetitious WP:STUBs that go nowhere and say the same thing relating to Chabad houses. In the process you are violating WP:CONTENTFORKING and it even looks like you are spamming Wikipedia violating WP:ADVERT with a few sentences about a couple of Chabad houses just to get them mentioned on WP. Note, Wikipedia is not Chabad.org, as per WP:NOTADVERT. As they stood, the sparse repetative stubs would never have survived, so I have done you and the articles a favor by moving all content and citations as well doing some needed WP:COPYEDITing and saving them by WP:REDIRecting them as follows:

1. Chabad of Bangkok redirects to History of the Jews in Thailand#Chabad of Bangkok
2. Chabad of Venice redirects to History of the Jews in Italy#Chabad in Venice
3. Chabad of Southampton (NY) redirects to Chabad house#Chabad of Southampton (center of Chabad in NY)
4. Chabad of Boca Raton redirects to History of the Jews in southern Florida#Chabad of Boca Raton
5. Chabad House at Rutgers University redirects to Rutgers University student organizations#Chabad House
6. Chabad House at Harvard redirects to Harvard College#Chabad House
7. UCLA Chabad House redirects to University of California, Los Angeles#Chabad House

• Please DO NOT create more stubs that just say the same thing over and over again because that will only open the door to WP:AFDs. Please feel free to stay in touch with me or to get more input from other Judaic editors at WP:TALKJUDAISM BEFORE you create masses of repetitious articles almost overnight. Thanks again and best wishes, IZAK (talk) 00:37, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per Drmies. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Good Evening everybody, Just an idea: Why to merge List of Chabad houses in the page Chabad house. It could satisfy ? Shabbat shalom אני אוהב אותך --Geneviève (talk) 02:08, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Genevieve: Merging and Redirecting List of Chabad houses into Chabad house is also a very good idea. IZAK (talk) 03:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• merge and redirect as ISAK has just suggested in the main article , Chabad house. It is very unlikely under present rules that most of the individual ones would be individually notable, though a few are likely to be. DGG ( talk ) 15:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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