Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamal Mustafa (filmmaker)
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The result was delete. per WP:SNOW Yunshui 雲水 11:21, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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Weak delete, fails WP:NCREATIVE. Störm (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete per G4 and likely G5. This has been recreated a dozen times at least under so many name variants that I'm having a hard time tracking them all down. Even the draft was previously MFD'd Praxidicae (talk) 16:54, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- @User: Praxidicae Thanks for mentioning the link i have seen all the previous deleted article but they were not notable you are right but on this article i have seen enough references in Google and Newspapers such as Gulf news , The News , The News (Newspaper) , Nai Baat , Humsub and urdupoint. You can't deny all references just because this article was created in past. You need to say about the reference.
Memon KutianaWala (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think you fundamentally misunderstand how AFD and notability work. There is virtually no difference with regard to actual independent reliable sources in the 12+ times this has been deleted and in fact, the only change in sourcing is what I would consider deceitful - it's almost exclusively content submitted or written by the subject. See below. Praxidicae (talk) 18:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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~ | A two sentence mention of the subject | ✘ No | ||
written by the subject | no editorial oversight on user submissions | see above | ✘ No | |
I have sincere doubts that this is actually independent as it appears to be a piece submitted to a writer there & its partially an interview | I have doubts about the editorial integrity of this particular piece | ✘ No | ||
very similar to #2 | no indication of who the author is | ✘ No | ||
Almost certainly not independent as the News Desk submissions are user submissions generally | see above, no indication that they have any editorial oversight | see above | ✘ No | |
Like the other sources above, I have doubts about this being independent. These are from questionable sources to begin with and are worded nearly the same with the same titles just one word different which leads me to believe this is likely PR submitted. | see above | see above | ✘ No | |
We have no idea who wrote this. The website is operated by a journalist however it's the equivalent of a blog and does not indicate she is even the writer. | per above | ✘ No | ||
see below | This particular site is misleading but it is all user generated like a wiki. It's not reliable and it's not coverage. | ✘ No | ||
Interview, definitely isn't independent | Doubtful and worth noting that it has almost been exclusively used by sockmasters related to this subject. | ✘ No | ||
interviews of this nature are not independent | sincerely doubt this is a reliable source | ✘ No | ||
I have sincere doubts that this would fall under independent, reliable or significant but that's based on a translation and this looks like a blog. | see above | This doesn't appear to be about the subject, but just a passing mention | ✘ No | |
written by the subject | user submitted, no editorial oversight | ✘ No | ||
404, can't find an archived version either | ? Unknown | |||
possibly written by the subject, author not identified | per the disclaimer at the bottom, it's a "blogger submitted" opinion | ✘ No | ||
blog, no evidence that there is any editorial oversight or how their publication process works | ✘ No | |||
not even a mention of the subject. | ✘ No | |||
I have doubts about the reliability of this site as it appears to be a hobby blog. It is possible that it is independent and reliable but it doesn't help to establish notability. | doesn't mention the subject. | ✘ No | ||
same as above | ✘ No | |||
imdb listing equivalent | ✘ No | |||
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that any source that publishes content in english so rife with grammatical and spelling errors probably doesn't have the type of editorial oversight we require of reliable sources. Also note that it's run by generic blogger.com bloggers. | ✘ No | |||
see source 19 | ✘ No | |||
see source #4, identical | ✘ No | |||
written by the subject | ✘ No | |||
see source 14 | ✘ No | |||
one sentence piece likely submitted as a pr by subject | ✘ No | |||
Written by the subject. | ✘ No | |||
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. |
- Delete and SALTper Praxidice. CodeLyokotalk 18:22, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and salt created in mainspace directly so that's why AFC couldn't catch it when it was not notable in 2018. Since the previous AFD in 2015/2016, Mustafa has released the second film Operation Swift Retort in 2019, but after the thorough analysis by Praxidicae, there still aren't any GNG sources to show notability. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and salt - as above. Neutralitytalk 03:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Kill it, and I think we can speedy it. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and salt with thanks to Praxidice for that list which made it easier to investigate the sources. I agree with P's analysis and have not found any other sources to support a claim of notability. Note also that the Wikipedia articles about the two films he has created, which most of the references in the article about him refer to (Operation 786 and Operation Swift Retort) have been deleted as non-notable: see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation 786 and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation Swift Retort (film). --bonadea contributions talk 10:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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