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The result was delete. SPAs/suspected socks were of couse discounted for the most part. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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completely non-notable; references fail WP:NOT#NEWS, person falls under WP:ONEEVENT. Ironholds (talk) 12:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this page up. Jonathan is a noteworthy person of interest and it would be a shame to delete this information on him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.37.105 (talk) 13:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I have tracked Jonathan's weight loss progress, and I think he is a amazing individual 216.139.159.106 (talk) 16:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.159.106 (talk) [reply]

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• Jonathan is a notable figure in Segway rights campaigns, making him worthy of this page. the information should not be destroyed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navevan (talk • contribs)

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• I agree, Jonathan is a noteworthy person and it is important to keep this as a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.139.130.194 (talk)

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• Commment a copy of this article appears to exist in userspace at User:Lscappel/Jonathan Gleich. Thryduulf (talk) 15:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 15:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nominator and WP:BLP1E. Thryduulf (talk) 15:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Mr. Gleich has made multiple accomplishments in his life. Apparently, the editors don't know what a BBS is, or how significant it was as the precursor to Facebook, Twitter, and other social networking systems. Most people find it is a struggle to lose 20 pounds. Mr. Gleich has lost over 200 pounds. Each of his entries into the Mermaid Parade has won an award. Mr. Gleich is continuing to add to the dynamic culture of New York City. It would be short-sighted to remove his entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.144.80 (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Good for him on the significant weight loss. But I do not see that he satisfies WP:BIO. Edison (talk) 16:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote a few comments ago, what about the facts of his contributions on BBS systems, as well as his avocation of the Segway in NYC, and the amazing entry in the mermaid parade? To quote Lloyd Benson, "he's no Jack Kennedy" but he has done some major things! 216.139.159.106 (talk) 16:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Completely non-notable, no reliable sources about the individual. Skinny87 (talk) 08:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I do not understand 'skinny87's comments of non notable, and no reliable sources.

I see newspaper articles, and pictures, and references to Hospitals and Doctors,WP:MANYLINKS What other way is a person known then by that? I Googled (is that a proper term) Mr. Gleich, and found some 15 pages of information on him, I do admit there was some similarity in it, he lost a dramatic amount of weight, he became a segway advocate he has created a amazing costume (http://www.segnyc.com) there is no reference to that BTW. What is Wikipedia, if not a living breathing database of all things interesting? And Mr. Gleich is, if nothing else Interesting. 24.185.128.244 (talk) 11:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To reply to this in what I hope is sufficient detail, although I'm by no means the be-all end-all expert in AfD discussions. Though Mister Gleich's weightloss is indeed admirable, he does not meet en.wikipedia's Notability standards, which are quite rigorous, particularly in terms of what we call Biographies of Living Persons, and is therefore not significant enough. Looking at the sources that mention Mister Gleich, they are either passing mentions or do not meet en.wikipedia's Reliable Sources standards. I hope this helps you understand why this article was nominatred for AfD, and may well be deleted. Skinny87 (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Thoughts - This is my last comment on this, I went through the Notability standards, and as I read it; A person needs to have done something notable, Jonathan, has lost a dramatic around of weight, A person needs to have done something notable, Jonathan is one of the pioneers of Bulletin Board systems (precursor of the internet)in NYC, A person needs to have done something notable, Jonathan has created something that is getting attention (his Zoltar costume).

  #2 Information must be from "reliable sources" I would ASSUME the NY Daily News would be reliable, WP:HASREFS

Also I see the span of articles are over the course of years, not days.WP:MULT That shows me consistency, that this is not a one time event (no 15 minutes here). He continues to do New (and in MY OPINION) interesting things. I say he qualifies for Wikipedia, according to there own guidelines. And as I stated before, There are much greater people out there, but I see much lesser people with there own Wikipedia entries... 216.139.159.106 (talk) 17:34, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the essay Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, and feel free to nominate for deletion any article that you feel does not belong on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I totally agree. I think Jonathan is a local celebrity in NYC. I don't like that Wiki rates people on how "famous" or "important" WIKI thinks people are. I think it would be important, for anyone wanting to get lapband surgery, to see his progress. Pookerella (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sept 2, 2009: RLG: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.251.179.96 (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC) Jonathan has inspired me to lose over 80 pounds. It has completely changed my life for the better. RLG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.251.179.96 (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan has inspired many people through his weight loss and as a segway activist, not to mention all the other interesting activities he seems to be involved in. This page should be kept up. ~ R.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainskynw1 (talk • contribs) 17:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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