The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -Scottywong| confabulate _ 23:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Completely unsourced, completely in-universe. It's time that the policy we're supposed to support gets applied even to DC & Marvel comics, despite the fanboi uproar this will no doubt engender. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:45, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I guess the fanbois are uproaring elsewhere. Carrite (talk) 05:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge with Joker (comics). This is a very important aspect of the Joker, a very notable comics character. JIP | Talk 06:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This might be notable, but if it's going to be WP:NOTABLE it needs to demonstrate it from sources. The same applies to the same large slab of unreferenced content, whether it's in one article or as part of another. Andy Dingley (talk) 07:52, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - a quick search through Google Books of "Joker venom" and "Joker smilex" (the name in the movie) gives several authors discussing the relation of the Joker with poison [1], [2], [3] (this one even analyzes the moral responsibilities of poison used by an insane man), [4], [5], showing that the relation of the Joker with the smiley posion is notable. Diego (talk) 13:26, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for source is a serious process and shouldn't be reduced to merely listing all the times you get a hit with "joker" + "poison". Most of the sources only talk about poison as part of plot summaries and don't "discuss the subject in detail" (WP:GNG). Don't forget that to pass the notability guideline, sources have to be "more than a trivial mention".Folken de Fanel (talk) 19:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete without prejudice. The article is a work of 100% unsourced fiction. If someone would like to rewrite an article on this topic from reliable third party sources, be my guest. coccyx bloccyx_(toccyx) 19:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - An article which lists the various appearances of a fictional weapon belonging to a fictional supporting character from a comicbook. The most this subject warrants is a mention in the Joker (comics) article (which it already has). ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 10:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as non-notable. Fails WP:GNG which requires "significant coverage from independent sources". Such coverage is absolutely non-existent.Folken de Fanel (talk) 19:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• My position on such articles is that we should let the "fanboys" have their "cruft" as long as it's sourced and verifiable cruft but this article has no sources so it may be nothing but fan speculation so Delete without prejudice per Bloccyx or merge to Joker (comics) if anything in the article is sourcable. Note that batman.wikia.com has an article on the subject or I would recommend a transwiki. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Completely unsourced after 2 weeks of AfD, therefore failing WP:V and particularly WP:V#Notability.  Sandstein  09:03, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect possible search term. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.