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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 04:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability not established, fails WP:NMUSIC. Existence of music on iTunes does not establish notability (especially in a compilation format based on a TV contest), and being a non-winner on said talent program does not do so either. MSJapan (talk) 05:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Made it to the Top4 of X Factor Sweden a series that the nominating user seem unfamiliar with as he nominated a similar article of one of finalists a final that is one week away and which will give the winner isntant notability. Anyway this one is within WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC, has made it into the Swedish Itunes lists with several songs. This is just one of many way too hasty AfD nominations by MSJapan.--[[--BabbaQ (talk) 12:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. BabbaQ (talk) 12:14, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I don't know how it is in Sweden, but I do know that in Norway being in the final of one of those shows (Idol, Norway's got talent e.g.) confers no notability. Most of the finalist (and even some of the winners) fades into obscurity after the show is over and fails WP:BLP1E. If reliable sources covers their music career for a long time after the show, notability can be established, but I feel it is WP:TOOSOON for an article. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you dont own a Crystball then I guess you cant tell about the future. But for now they are notable. If anything WP:TOOSOON is a good guideline for this AfD itself as it has been placed by a user with obviously no or very minor knowledge about X Factor Sweden and way too soon as the user has done on numerous articles in the past. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you mean by "for now they are notable". Either they are notable now and always will be, or they're not notable now but might be in the future. Notability isn't transitory - William Shakespeare hasn't done much for a few hundred years but he's still notable. --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:02, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to TV series X Factor (Sweden). They've been eliminated so they're not going to win (winning would provide notability). They've not charted. They're not influential or important in musical history. They're not notable: this is well-established practice with talent show contestants. --Colapeninsula (talk) 00:33, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — sparklism ^hey! 08:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

:Note to closing admin: If we should follow WP:NMUSIC paragraph 9 Has won or placed in a major music competition. and also paragraph 12,then J.E.M is more notable then many other kept articles. Seems like more of a "reality show contestant" stigma then notability requirements that are evaluated. But lets see how it ends. --BabbaQ (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 03:02, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: per BabbaQ - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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