The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NN, POV Material is not notable, and appears to be a POV push against the subject, the band Insane Clown Posse. Structural bias in article title, "Gay ICP", as well. Kasreyn 08:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, of course; I am the nominator. Kasreyn 08:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment on further inquiry, article Gay ICP seems to be the sole creation of User:YaR GnitS. Kasreyn 08:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, this passage was repeatedly used to vandalize the main article, and only created after the main article was semiprotected.--Rosicrucian 11:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, This text has vandalized the main page many times. The references listed do not point to anything at all relevant to the text. If the author can not come up with some reputable source then it is pure garbage. Koosh 12:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• delete. Any claims on sexual preferences of the band belong on the band article (ICP). YaR GnitS has only contributed vandal edits to articles. Sfacets 18:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Naconkantari 19:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as above. (|-- UlTiMuS ^{( U | T | C | E )} 19:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Been hearing voices, Koosh? 69.86.199.51 20:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  Note this diff: [1] As you can see, User:YaR_GnitS rewrote Koosh's vote fraudulently. User:YaR_GnitS has been reported to an administrator. Kasreyn 22:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  Not lately. Thanks Kasreyn. --Koosh 22:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I'm seeing very strong support here; does anyone agree this is a case for a speedy delete? Kasreyn 22:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I wouldn't say speedy delete. I disagee that this material is NN--I think it is notable, and not designed to bias the subject any more than it would be to say that Charles Nelson Reilly is gay. That said, I do believe that the structural bias in the article title is unacceptable, so this article should probably be deleted, but its content merged with the main article. I think it's a biased attempt by fans of ICP to keep this information out of the main article, and that the creator of this article was taking a valid stand by creating it if ICP fans are putting their own POV in the article. 206.223.242.88 22:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment It's completely unsourced and unencyclopedic. I don't see it as a valid stand at all. It was removed from the ICP article several times because it's utter nonsense with nothing to back it up, and then it was put back up as its own article with "sources" that aren't even articles. The remainder of claims are rife with weasel words like "many rumors." I'm not sure on what grounds you can defend this article, or a merge into the main ICP article.--Rosicrucian 23:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment If it is that noteworthy then please provide at least one source to back up this claim. The text makes a reference to an interview in a magazine. I have not found any source of the existance of the magazine. The article lists four references which do not have any relevant information and are only there in an attempt to make the article look substantial. Personally, I am not a fan of the group or their style of music and do not care if the statements are true or false. I am just trying to preserve the integrity of the article. If you can show me one valid verifiable reference then I would consider supporting adding this to the main article. --Koosh 23:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per all the lovely comments above. I don't think it's speedyible under WP:CSD (A7-attack pages comes close but not quite), but I certainly wouldn't have a problem if an admin closed it early under WP:SNOW given the vandalism that has occurred in this discussion. -- NORTH ^talk 01:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Nine for, and nobody has actually voted against. The only defender is an anonymous IP who left a comment not a vote, and the author of the article didn't vote but rather saw fit to vandalize everyone else's votes to sway the discussion. Yeah, I think WP:SNOW applies. Unless things change radically very soon, we should be able to put this one to bed.--Rosicrucian 17:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• DeleteWhile interesting, it is so POV that it is impossible to know whether it is true or not. It might be worth briefly mentioning it in the main ICP article, but otherwise, get rid of it.--Wakefencer 05:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Postdlf 06:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment We can no longer assume good faith for User:YaR_GnitS. As soon as his block was up he resumed vandalizing this page, as well as vandalizing the talkpages and userpages of his largest detractors. I have notified the original admin that blocked him, and hope the administrators will do what's needed. As for the nominated article, let's end this farce and move on to more worthy things.--Rosicrucian 22:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I know zip about any vandalism or sock-puppetage (?) but second all the other comments about NPOV, lack of notability, etc. Plus it doesn't tell you what the heck "Gay ICP" even is (I had to go to the AfD discussino page to find out it was Insane Clown Posse). Bookgrrl 03:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, YaR GnitS hasn't had enough fun yet. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Controversy Surrounding ICP's Stance on Homosexuality. heaves a sigh. I'm taking this to ANI, we clearly have more than just a miffed POV pusher on our hands. Kasreyn 06:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Controversy Surrounding ICP's Stance on Homosexuality was created and speedied three times so I have made it into a protected redirect. Possibly Gay ICP will also need protection when it is deleted. -- RHaworth 06:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• • And the latest attempt, The Inter City Posse's Controversial Stance on Homosexuality, by User:Kaseryn, who set up his user and talk pages to redirect to User:Kasreyn. The imposter is now permanently blocked and I've tagged the new article for speedy deletion. NawlinWiki 03:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.