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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 08:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Esben Ertzeid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Plays on the second tier in Norway. Not a fully professional league. Fails WP:ATHLETE. No other significant coverage that fulfills WP:BIO#basic criteria. Rettetast (talk) 16:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete unless evidence that he has played in a fully professional league. The Norwegian First Division is not a fully professional league, many players have other day jobs, in some teams 100% of the players have other jobs besides football. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punkmorten (talk • contribs)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As far as I know, Bryne operates as a professional club. There is a long precedence for Norwegian First Division bios. Lampman (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there. I went through all Norwegian footballers yesterday and found five. There are hundreds of players in this league. Rettetast (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Five? There are at least eight playing for Bryne alone. Lampman (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Being a professional club isn't enough, it has to be a professional league. And there is no such precedence. Punkmorten (talk) 08:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The other players have other merits that makes relevant for inclusion. Five was the number of players that only had 2 tier experience. Rettetast (talk) 11:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How can a player and club be judged based on other clubs? There is nothing in the Norwegian promotion system that prevents an amateur club from being promoted to the Norwegian Premier League. If that happened, would we have to delete all player bios from that league? The implication of this practice seems absurd. To me playing on a professional level means playing for a professional club. Lampman (talk) 20:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:NOTE#Notability_is_not_temporary. Rettetast (talk) 11:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom; non-notable player. GiantSnowman 14:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Lampman is correct - the implications here don't make sense. Professional player, who plays for a fully-professional team, at the national level, in a mostly-professional league. WP:CS dictates that deletion doesn't make sense. Besides, isn't this all irrelevent; he seems to have extensive media coverage [1] and thus meets WP:N which trumps WP:ATHLETE. Nfitz (talk) 03:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Unless you can find a reliable source from that Google search about his playing exploits, then it might pass general notability - listing a Google news search doesn't prove anything. Until then, he still fails WP:ATHLETE (as he hasn't played in a fully-pro league) and general notability criteria as well. --Jimbo^[online] 10:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• He's repeatedly covered in Norway's largest and most reliable news outlets: Dagbladet, Verdens Gang, Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation. Lampman (talk) 02:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• This is just links to searches. Please give us links to extensive coverage about the player. As far as I can see all these articles are just match report where Esben Ertzeid gets mentioned. Rettetast (talk) 11:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:ATHLETE and WP:N failure. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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