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The result was redirect‎ to Donald Trump raised-fist photographs#Legacy. Should there be a List of statues created, this can be retargeted Star Mississippi 02:33, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The article, given the recent history and its state at the time of nomination, seems to be in large part a vehicle for promoting some cryptocurrency coin's website or wallet address. Beyond not being in good shape today, I doubt this article is salvageable due to notability and coverage issues. Given the many reverts in the history (a couple of them mine) over the crypto wallet spam, I expect a WP:PROD to be contested, so submitting here directly.

The handful of news articles about the statue itself are fairly short, they all contain roughly the same few paragraphs of information, such that there's not enough published about this statue to write a very good article even with more effort. My assessment after a quick search is that this is not near the level of significant coverage expected to pass WP:GNG guidelines. Mlkj (talk) 23:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts and Cryptocurrency. Mlkj (talk) 23:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts, Politics, and Ohio. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:21, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Probably TOOSOON, news coverage, sure, but I don't think it meets notability for art projects. This isn't the Mona Lisa. Oaktree b (talk) 00:28, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Part 4 here explains it [1]. The artist isn't notable, the artwork doesn't appear to be either. Oaktree b (talk) 00:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Donald Trump raised-fist photographs § Legacy, where the statue is already covered, as alternative to deletion and likely search target. The article's current state is irrelevant but apart from The Times's in-depth article, it's mostly local sourcing, which is weaker. There is plenty to expand from these sources and while I'd expect further sourcing after its unveiling this week, since we have no crystal ball, it's fine to all expand summary style within the parent article, the pose on which the statue is modeled. (The author's notability is a separate point, but there is way more significant coverage in reliable source about his practice linked within that article.) czar 03:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect as per czar's reasoning. RopeTricks (talk) 12:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per The Times article and other coverage. Too soon to delete as it's not known if this will be notable in the future (as it is at present) or where the statue will end up after its planned nationwide exhibition. Other Trump statues, mostly satirical or mocking artworks, have retained their pages. It is said above that the artist, Alan Cottrill, isn't notable. He has a new Wikipedia article and see his 2016 Statue of Thomas Edison exhibited in the U.S. Capitol National Statuary Hall Collection representing the state of Ohio. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge together with the other, similarly problematic, ones to a new article, List of Donald Trump statues. Not notable enough for a stand-alone article, and "too soon to delete" should never be used as a reason to keep: we only keep once lasting notability is sure or near-sure, not in the hope that it will materialize in the future. Fram (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Not need to merge if you create the list article, just add it as a linked entry on the list as is done with other American presidential statues. Yes, my mistake "too soon to delete", thanks. This is still a notable sourced statue by a notable sculptor. The Times article is much more notable coverage than most statues ever get. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Donald Trump raised-fist photographs § Legacy. Sources do not support this passing WP:GNG. Creator does not meet WP:ARTIST. "It might be notable in the future" is not a reason to keep. Asparagusstar (talk) 16:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Multiple reliable, secondary sources (including major outlets both within U.S. and internationally (i.e.: The Times) exist proving the artwork's notability. The artist, furthermore, is notable – and it has been confirmed that the statue will eventually be displayed at the future Trump Presidential Library. Infrastorian (talk) 18:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect - as suggested - this is literally a derivative work of a photograph. There are some sources, so a selective merge is possible. Bearian (talk) 02:32, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Donald Trump raised-fist photographs#Legacy as a viable ATD per Czar and Asparagusstar. Sal2100 (talk) 21:01, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.