The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was largely moot since it's already been portalfied which seems like an alright compromise. I'm going to remove the cross-namespace redirect though. For archival sake, the poralfied version is at Portal:Puerto Rico/Did you know. -Splash^talk 00:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOT a collection of random information Delete -Doc ^ask? 13:46, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Note for Closing Party This AfD was promoted on user talk pages, which an urge to vote keep. Esteffect 02:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I saw it mentioned on talk pages of users I hang out with but didn't see any keep urging, do you have some diffs? And if so? so what? I mentioned it on Talk:Puerto Rico for that matter. Users with well established talk pages (evincing some history here) and a particular history of editing Puerto Rico pages seem naturals for notification, we're talking about contributions from the non-footwear community here, after all. ++Lar: t/c 04:29, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Puerto Rico or move to portal or something like that. No need for a separate article. --Tone 15:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge what is verifiable and significant to the appropriate articles (mainly Peurto Rico) and delete the rest as trivial. Just zis Guy you know? 15:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge much as I despise triva sections, that's probably the best place for a lot of this information --djrobgordon 16:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge' to Puerto Rico. --Terence Ong 16:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment and keep Did You Know - Puerto Rico originally was a section in the Puerto Rico article but it was getting too long. It was decided here to create a template to emulate the wikipedia main page's did you know. This was done (and it's the section presently found in the Puerto Rico article) but since so many facts had been accumulated an article was created to list them all. Everyone of these facts is verifiable since the majority come from existing Wikipedia articles. The problem with merging would be that the section would get unmaneagable and long and would detract from other useful information. I forgot to add that it is not random information since it all pertains to a single subject, Puerto Rico and its people. Joelito 17:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Portalfy After debate I have changed my mind. But I vote to keep the section on Puerto Rico \. Joelito 04:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, what if you make it this way: sort all the facts into groups and then put them into the adequate articles under trivia section, like: Geography of Puerto Rico, Economy of Puerto Rico etc. Making it this way will make the other articles more interesting and it won't be too long. --Tone 17:18, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep as per Joelr31. Tony the Marine 00:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep to avoid circular migration of exported article content. — Adrian~enwiki (talk) 01:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• DeletePortalfy under "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information," and delete the "Did You Know" section from Puerto Rico entirely, which is already at Portal:Puerto Rico. I do not think this should be in the article namespace. Adniel 02:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I change my vote, now that the page has been moved. Adniel 05:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete as per WP:NOT and Adniel. --BWD ^(talk) 02:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Portalfy now makes more sense. --BWD ^(talk) 04:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to templatespace. Set it up the way the main DYK is... the template contains the current tidbits and the template talk has an archive of all the previously displayed tidbits. A few trivia facts at a time are nice but the whole list may not be necessary in articlespace. (note, the DYK at the portal and the one in the main article should be driven by the same template and work from the same list of facts, IMHO, rather than being separate (and different in appearance) as they are now) If that's not acceptable, then keep it the way it is. This comment is NOT to be construed as a delete comment under any circumstances. ++Lar: t/c 02:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What, you mean like the already existing Template:Wikiportal:Puerto Rico/Did you know? Adniel 02:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. That template's talk page is empty though, unlike the main DYK template which has the stash of previously used and not yet used factlets. (or trivions, if you prefer, it's a UOM thing I guess)... Move these facts there, and then use the template in the portal in the main article too. What fooled me was that the template invocation on the portal page is buried in a bunch of <div>s and stuff and I missed the template inclusion. ++Lar: t/c 02:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I do not support a merge into any article, as long as that merge will be in the form of new "trivia" sections. Please, if there is going to be a merge, please do it so that it flows nicely within the text. I prefer "Although it is a misconception that in his time, Napoleon Bonaparte was a man of short stature, he was 5'6.5", a perfectly acceptable height for Frenchmen of his time," in the appropriate section, over "Did you know Napoleon Bonaparte was actually 5'6.5"?" Adniel 02:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Lar. They should be driven by the the same information. The original idea was a template with the template talk pertaining the unused facts (as the wiki DYK) but it was changed for simplicity for users. The portal is a work in progress so please bear with me on the <div>. Also if it is to be kept it should be in the style of the wiki main page since it's an accepted style and it was the form from which it was conceived. Joelito 03:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't sweat the div stuff, I was just explaining why I missed it, not criticising! ++Lar: t/c

• Merge. I like the idea of merging to relevant specific articles, like History of Puerto Rico, etc. Esteffect 02:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I do not support the idea of merging to specific articles since the information is already contained within those articles Joelito 03:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Portalfy to the Puerto Rico portal. Main article space is not an indiscriminate collection of "Did you knows" ... Cyde Weys 02:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I think links to Did You Know - Puerto Rico should link to the portal template, if the article is deleted and merged into other articles. Adniel 02:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I honestly do not see why the information should be relegated to the portal. I think main space is a good place to have the information because people do not usually access portals. Joelito 03:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because of WP:NOT. --BWD ^(talk) 03:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have read WP:NOT and I do not see any of the topics applying in this case. Certainly I do not find " a collection of random information" in there Joelito 03:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. --BWD ^(talk) 03:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Every one of these facts already IS in the encyclopedia though, and the links in the DYK tidbits show you where, this DYK is just a different way to get connected. As a surfer (I hit random articles for fun, for the discovery of what I might find...), I like to find interesting things that I didn't know were connected. Moving the facts to the specific articles reduces the serendipity effect by burying them where they're harder to find. They're all relevant to Puerto Rico, after all. Unless you're saying you think the DYK concept as a whole is flawed? I admit a POV there, I'm 6 for 6 on articles I initially created that were nominated for DYK being selected for the main page so I obviously like DYK. ++Lar: t/c 03:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between the Did You Know on the main page and other portals and this one is that it is not in the article space. Shall we create similar articles for every county, and for other subjects?

Did You Know - American Flags

• ...that the Tennesseean flag has three stars?
• ...that the American flag was designed by Betsy Ross?
• ...that the flag of Washington is the only flag with an American president on it?

I don't want Wikipedia to turn into a trivia website. Adniel 03:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, we shouldn't create similar articles for every main article. That sort of feels like a strawdog to me... Please review my input to consensus (I hate calling it a "vote") above... I said move it to templatespace and make it be one unified template that is used both on the portal and the main article, with keep as a second choice. But I'd say that any subject big enough to have a portal may well be deserving of a DYK if the portal editors want to make one. They're adding valuable content and links. (your flag example would be fine in my book, as a template, if WP ever gets large enough to have a portal for American flags... (maybe it already does? I didn't go check!) Again, are you against DYK as a concept? ++Lar: t/c 03:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with DYK, but only in the portal pages and template namespaces, with DYK templates not being used in mainspace articles. Adniel 03:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed that someone has already moved the article into the Portal namespace, so I'm fine with the article now. Can the Did You Know section be taken out of Puerto Rico? A link to the Wikiportal has already been put at the bottom of the page. Adniel 03:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The DYK in or out would be something to bring up on the Talk:Puerto Rico page, I suspect. Personally I think it is interesting to see how well a DYK in a lead article works, I'd say let it stay there (as an invocation) for a while... Now that the article has been moved (portalfy-ed) maybe this AfD is now moot? Dunno. If the consensus comes out delete though, now the previous DYK at the portal would be deleted I think as they're being merged... that would be a bad outcome. ++Lar: t/c 04:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Portal:Puerto Rico/Did you know so we can keep an archive of Puerto Rico's Did you know? trivia. The current trivia links to it now. —Joseph | Talk 03:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It is not "random information" since all of it pertains to Puerto Rico. It should not be merged into Puerto Rico as it is 47kb long already. --Vizcarra 04:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep this article has a lot iof interesting and historical facts or tid-bits pertaining to the island, that I, even though I was born and raised in the island, didn't know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miguelfp1 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 25 February 2006
• Portalfyany relevent information and redirect pschemp | talk 04:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The article has many good facts I never knew about. --Stux 07:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I do not understand why the article is on this list in first place. Articles of the same category but for other different countries should be made as well. WP is not a random collection of information, but it is made to inform people about topics. That's wikipedia's essential function. Well, actually, if you think about it, wikipedia sort of is a random collection of information actually, since we cover everything from disasters to Miss Universe, from Religion and art to boxing, from Medicine to poverty....Antonio Hyperactive Child Martin 09:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Although this article is quite different from most of wikipedia I belive it's to long to merge with Puerto Rico and also consider that it contains to much valuable information as to simply delete it. A possible solution maybe changing the style of the article from 'trivia' to prose.Nnfolz 05:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article is definitely too long to merge with Puerto Rico, but the information is too varied to turn to prose. I think that it's fine the way it is. And for those who claim that the article is "different" from wikipedia, why don't you check wikipedia's own Did you know archive? This is what this page was modeled after. If it needs to go in a portal that's fine, but we already have precedent for a page like this. --Stux 17:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and Portalfy into Puerto Rico portal and/or merge these facts into Puerto Rico and/or the other articles they are about. Johntex\^talk 02:22, 28 February 2006
• Keep in Portal form. Smylere Snape 02:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information or the like. Belongs in Portal space, if at all, so move. Stifle 11:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noticed it's already moved. Stifle 11:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.